From: Simon Waters on
On Monday 12 April 2010 16:53:10 Victor Duchovni wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:50:02AM -0400, Charles Marcus wrote:
> > There is no IMAP client that I'm aware of that can 'save' a message to
> > to the Sent folder.
>
> They all do it, that's how messages end up in the Sent folder, you
> are confused.

Although Thunderbird seems to find ever more ingenious reasons for why it
can't do it for this specific message at this specific time, as a bonus
giving you a chance to mistakenly send the message twice.....

Some days I think starting again from scratch with software would be a good
idea, then I remember how quickly I can code....

From: Charles Marcus on
On 2010-04-12 11:53 AM, Victor Duchovni wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:50:02AM -0400, Charles Marcus wrote:
>
>> There is no IMAP client that I'm aware of that can 'save' a message to
>> to the Sent folder.
>
> They all do it, that's how messages end up in the Sent folder, you
> are confused.

No, I simply didn't word my comment well... ;)

The Saving to Sent happens *after* the message is sent via the defined
outbound (usually smtp) server.

Mike had said (and what I was responding to): "Then instead the message
could be saved to the Sent folder instead, and the submission server
could fetch it from there.". This would mean it hadn't been sent yet,
but had been saved to the sent folder *before* sending - or there would
be no reason to 'fetch' it.

I guess Mike was referring to the concept of the Outbox, which Outlook
(and maybe other?) clients use.

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Best regards,

Charles

From: Charles Marcus on
On 2010-04-12 11:56 AM, Steve wrote:
> But you are right. All the other clients that I know save the message
> on the server or at least are able to save the message on the server.
> I never managed to do that with Outlook without fancy macros/rules.

Outlook 2007 finally allows you to Save to a Sent folder directly on the
IMAP server, and has many other IMAP fixes. It still sucks as an IMAP
client (worst is it uses Word to render HTML email rather than IE), it
just sucks less than it used to.

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Best regards,

Charles

From: Victor Duchovni on
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:09:40PM -0400, Charles Marcus wrote:

> On 2010-04-12 11:53 AM, Victor Duchovni wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:50:02AM -0400, Charles Marcus wrote:
> >
> >> There is no IMAP client that I'm aware of that can 'save' a message to
> >> to the Sent folder.
> >
> > They all do it, that's how messages end up in the Sent folder, you
> > are confused.
>
> No, I simply didn't word my comment well... ;)
>
> The Saving to Sent happens *after* the message is sent via the defined
> outbound (usually smtp) server.

There also no mainstream IMAP MUAs that support BURL. The BURL clients
are free to use a different strategy...

--
Viktor.

P.S. Morgan Stanley is looking for a New York City based, Senior Unix
system/email administrator to architect and sustain our perimeter email
environment. If you are interested, please drop me a note.

From: Charles Marcus on
On 2010-04-12 12:03 PM, Simon Waters wrote:
> Some days I think starting again from scratch with software would be a good
> idea, then I remember how quickly I can code....

Timo (dovecot author) has expressed interest in maybe someday coding an
IMAP client from scratch... one can only hope... ;)

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Best regards,

Charles