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From: Vladimir Vassilevsky on 7 Jan 2010 11:13 Clay wrote: > The "sad" > thing that we have is a culture (or a subculture) that says doing well > in school is not cool. Sure not. The root of the problem problem is being a nerd generally doesn't pay off as far as the quality of life; many issues mentioned in this thread are direct consequences of that. > Look at how math and science are viewed by > many. For example when one finds out I teach part time in college. I > naturally get asked which subject. So I say Physics. And the most > common retort is "Eeeeeuuuuwwwwwwwwwww!" Often accompanied with a > rolling of the eyes. That says it all! 99.9% of human activities require no more intelligence then that of an ant or a bee. Why bother? VLV
From: Le Chaud Lapin on 7 Jan 2010 14:56 On Jan 7, 10:40 am, "steveu" <ste...(a)coppice.org> wrote: > >On Jan 6, 9:03=A0pm, "steveu" <ste...(a)coppice.org> wrote: > >> >On Jan 5, 3:08=3DA0pm, Eric Jacobsen <eric.jacob...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > >> >> On 1/5/2010 11:27 AM, Clay wrote: > >Actually not as sad as you may think. Many would not even attempt > >college without it. It is discovered that many students enter college > >on Hope and resulting from poor performance lose the scholarship. (The > >assistantship is reevaluated every 30 credit hours) But many of these > >students actually stay in school and ultimately finish. The "sad" > >thing that we have is a culture (or a subculture) that says doing well > >in school is not cool. Look at how math and science are viewed by > >many. For example when one finds out I teach part time in college. I > >naturally get asked which subject. So I say Physics. And the most > >common retort is "Eeeeeuuuuwwwwwwwwwww!" Often accompanied with a > >rolling of the eyes. That says it all! > > I guess this is a perverse kind of progress. When I was a lad only > engineers were looked down on. Now its pretty much anyone even remotely > technical. When I used to go to night clubs, women would ask me what I did for a living, and I'd say "engineer", and they'd get blank stare, and it was downhill from there. At first I thought it was because they realized that there would be nothing common to talk about work-wise, but then one woman I dated, who strangely brought her friend best friend with her on second date, told me that she didnt' believe me, and in her friend's words, I was "full of sh*t". I never thought there was any big deal about being an engineer, but apparently, especially in late 1990's and early 2000's, being an engineer was almost synonymous with big $$$, so if a guy wanted to impress a woman, he might lie and say he was worked for some high- potential software company with pre-IPO stock options. -Le Chaud Lapin-
From: Jerry Avins on 7 Jan 2010 15:10
Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote: > > > Clay wrote: > >> The "sad" >> thing that we have is a culture (or a subculture) that says doing well >> in school is not cool. > > Sure not. The root of the problem problem is being a nerd generally > doesn't pay off as far as the quality of life; many issues mentioned in > this thread are direct consequences of that. I have a different view. Physical prowess in males and matching norms of "beauty" in females are the social currency of the teen years and early adulthood. For many, they remain the be-all and end-all throughout life. The pursuit of them often interferes with nerdy matters, making those activities actively disparaged by those who are, for the time, setting the social standard. >> Look at how math and science are viewed by >> many. For example when one finds out I teach part time in college. I >> naturally get asked which subject. So I say Physics. And the most >> common retort is "Eeeeeuuuuwwwwwwwwwww!" Often accompanied with a >> rolling of the eyes. That says it all! > > 99.9% of human activities require no more intelligence then that of an > ant or a bee. Why bother? In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Why don't those whinnying yahoos end up working for us instead of the other way round? Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ����������������������������������������������������������������������� |