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From: John Hurley on 11 Aug 2010 08:46
JR:

# Sadly, our bosses have decided not to renew Oracle licenses this
year, to cut costs. So, now, we have no support :(

If your Oracle admin staff cannot help you troubleshoot simple
connectivity issues and you don't have an oracle support contract
better get your resume up to date ...

From: JR on 11 Aug 2010 09:27
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 03:16:09 -0700 (PDT), gazzag <gareth(a)jamms.org>
wrote:

>On 11 Aug, 07:59, JR <n...(a)mine.mn> wrote:
>> So, now, we have no support :(
>
>Or an application. Your bosses ever heard the phrase "false economy"?
>
>-g

They are all professional acountants... they don't get this untill it
blows in their faces...
From: joel garry on 11 Aug 2010 13:27
On Aug 11, 6:27 am, JR <n...(a)mine.mn> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 03:16:09 -0700 (PDT), gazzag <gar...(a)jamms.org>
> wrote:
>
> >On 11 Aug, 07:59, JR <n...(a)mine.mn> wrote:
> >> So, now, we have no support :(
>
> >Or an application.  Your bosses ever heard the phrase "false economy"?
>
> >-g
>
> They are all professional acountants... they don't get this untill it
> blows in their faces...

Yet they pay for insurance for various things. You might point out
how much time-and-materials costs versus the support contract. You
might point out there is a whole industry that has figured out what
best practices are, having already made the mistakes, and another
whole industry based on fixing the problems people run into not
following such practices.

You are also welcome to point out that expensive people are laughing
at them right now, and would be rubbing their hands in greedy glee,
except they're too busy to bother with such cheapos.

You can entertain us even more if they say things like "we don't need
backups, we have this SAN that will never die, guaranteed."

Get a contract dba in there to fix your problems (there's never just
one...), that may open some eyes.

jg
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From: JR on 11 Aug 2010 13:31
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:27:38 -0700 (PDT), joel garry
<joel-garry(a)home.com> wrote:

>On Aug 11, 6:27�am, JR <n...(a)mine.mn> wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 03:16:09 -0700 (PDT), gazzag <gar...(a)jamms.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 11 Aug, 07:59, JR <n...(a)mine.mn> wrote:

>
>Get a contract dba in there to fix your problems (there's never just
>one...), that may open some eyes.
>

We were forced to do this today. Our oracle-people are just
programmers...

You should see the bosses' faces when they saw the cost-per-hour of
the DBA :D
From: The Boss on 11 Aug 2010 17:30
JR wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:27:38 -0700 (PDT), joel garry
> <joel-garry(a)home.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 11, 6:27 am, JR <n...(a)mine.mn> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 03:16:09 -0700 (PDT), gazzag <gar...(a)jamms.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11 Aug, 07:59, JR <n...(a)mine.mn> wrote:
>
>>
>> Get a contract dba in there to fix your problems (there's never just
>> one...), that may open some eyes.
>>
>
> We were forced to do this today. Our oracle-people are just
> programmers...
>
> You should see the bosses' faces when they saw the cost-per-hour of
> the DBA :D

Show them this:
http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=Accountant&l1=&q2=Oracle+DBA

:-p

--
Jeroen


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