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From: nntp on 29 Jun 2010 03:45

What is Happening?
This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing
newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums.

Why?
As you may know, newsgroups have existed for many years now; however, the
traffic in the Microsoft newsgroups has been steadily decreasing for the
past several years while customers and participants are increasingly finding
solutions in the forums on Microsoft properties and third party sites. This
move will unify the customer experience, centralize content, make it easier
for active contributors to retain their influence, mitigate redundancies and
make the content easier to find by customers and search engines through
improved indexing. Additionally, forums offer a better user and spam
management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by encouraging a
healthy discussion in a clean community space. To this end, Microsoft will
begin to progressively shift available resources to the forums technology
and discontinue support for newsgroups.

In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for those
users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the
newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP Bridge
which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to the
forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP reader
functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up the
NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/

Which Newsgroups Are Affected by this Shutdown?
All public newsgroups will eventually be closed between June 1, 2010 and
October 1, 2010. Microsoft will be closing newsgroups in a phased approach,
starting with the least active newsgroups and moving eventually to more
active ones throughout the course of the next six months.


Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup?
Effective July 1, 2010, this newsgroup will be closed.

In an effort to enhance and improve your experience, this newsgroup is scheduled for closure in the upcoming months and we would like to invite you to participate at http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vcmfcatl/threads forum(s). An exact date will be posted in advance as plans are finalized.

Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Forums, please go to
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx

Who Should I Contact with any Questions?
Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to
NNTP(a)microsoft.com
From: Hector Santos on 29 Jun 2010 16:57
nntp(a)microsoft.com wrote:

>
> What is Happening?
> This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing
> newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums.
>
> Why?
> As you may know, newsgroups have existed for many years now; however, the
> traffic in the Microsoft newsgroups has been steadily decreasing for the
> past several years while customers and participants are increasingly
> finding
> solutions in the forums on Microsoft properties and third party sites.
> This
> move will unify the customer experience, centralize content, make it easier
> for active contributors to retain their influence, mitigate redundancies
> and
> make the content easier to find by customers and search engines through
> improved indexing. Additionally, forums offer a better user and spam
> management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by
> encouraging a
> healthy discussion in a clean community space. To this end, Microsoft will
> begin to progressively shift available resources to the forums technology
> and discontinue support for newsgroups.
>
> In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for those
> users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the
> newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP Bridge
> which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to the
> forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP
> reader
> functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up the
> NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/
>
> Which Newsgroups Are Affected by this Shutdown?
> All public newsgroups will eventually be closed between June 1, 2010 and
> October 1, 2010. Microsoft will be closing newsgroups in a phased
> approach,
> starting with the least active newsgroups and moving eventually to more
> active ones throughout the course of the next six months.
>
>
> Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup?
> Effective July 1, 2010, this newsgroup will be closed.
>
> In an effort to enhance and improve your experience, this newsgroup is
> scheduled for closure in the upcoming months and we would like to invite
> you to participate at
> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vcmfcatl/threads
> forum(s). An exact date will be posted in advance as plans are finalized.
> Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Forums, please go to
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx
>
> Who Should I Contact with any Questions?
> Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to
> NNTP(a)microsoft.com



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HLS
From: Uwe Kotyczka on 30 Jun 2010 03:35
IMHO when this groups is closed (or orphaned) my first
choise would be to change to an appropriate group in the
comp.* hierarchy.
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools.mfc exists. (But has
very low traffic though.)
Of course that would only work if the regulars/MVPs of
this group move there. I don't see that any of them consider
this to be an option. People from the German MFC group
did move to the de.comp.* groups, it works.

So again I would like to suggest
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools.mfc.

From: Hector Santos on 1 Jul 2010 10:27
Uwe Kotyczka wrote:

> IMHO when this groups is closed (or orphaned) my first
> choise would be to change to an appropriate group in the
> comp.* hierarchy.
> comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools.mfc exists. (But has
> very low traffic though.)
> Of course that would only work if the regulars/MVPs of
> this group move there. I don't see that any of them consider
> this to be an option. People from the German MFC group
> did move to the de.comp.* groups, it works.
>
> So again I would like to suggest
> comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools.mfc.

Thanks for your comments.

Having written a bridge for the forums, been the forums via the bridge
and online, for both my questions and provided input here and there
for others, there is certainly a weirdness and disjoint in using them.

It just seems too overwhelming and very hard to consume its volume,
its somewhat less than adequate ergonomics and there is certainly a
lost of "conversation" among people. With so many aliasing going on,
there is sense of not talking to "real" people but some some unknowns,
many of which are more interested in getting browny points "Mark my
message as an Answer" signatures.

Maybe, if you can, what you do is provide a "LIST" of comparable
usenet comp.* for the microsoft.public.* and post it or provide as a
link somewhere. That might help alleviate some of the pains that is
most certainly going to be felt.

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HLS
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