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From: MowGreen on 4 Jun 2010 15:07
Skybuck Flying wrote:
> Until Microsoft delivers an operating system which is 100.0000000% safe I do
> not believe people should have to pay for it.
>


Have your meds kicked in yet ? Good. Nighty night.


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From: MowGreen on 4 Jun 2010 18:10
Daave wrote:
> And*you* want to be*my* latex salesman?

VanDelay Industries. How can I help you ?


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From: Mike S on 4 Jun 2010 19:41
On 6/4/2010 11:36 AM, Skybuck Flying wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Today I visitted my mother for a nice dinner, after the dinner I wanted to
> show her something on the computer/internet.
>
> I noticed how the computer was extremely slow, and how the harddisk was
> rattling non-stop.
>
> First I was wondering if it was infected with a trojan or a scanner, this
> did not appear to be the case.
>
> Then I immediatly started wondering about windows automatic update since I
> never trusted it to function properly... I have seen my share of failures
> with it...
> however the computer is pretty much unmanaged so at least automatic updates
> protected it a little bit.
>
> I decided to go to the windows update website for manual updating to see
> what was going on... before I did that I stopped windows automatic updates
> to verify that it was indeed the culprit and yes it was the pc became fast
> again... I re-enabled it and went to the website.
>
> There it took a very long time before there was any feedback... it did the
> whole rattle thing over again... I took like 10 minutes or so...
>
> Then it displayed some warning/error message: "Windows Genuine Activation
> hulpprogramma failed".
>
> Apperently Microsoft now believes the computer is not genuine ?!? This
> computer was bought at a big retailer and should be genuine.
>
> Then it continued rattling...
>
> After having wasted 20 minutes of my life on this b.s. I decided it was
> enough and shutdown the iexplore.exe.
>
> For the time being I have disabled windows automatic updates so that the
> computer can function normally again.
> (This is on windows xp (NL) netherlands edition).
>
> I ask my mother how long this has been going on since my elderly sister was
> also complaining about it.
>
> It turns out this has been going on for one month !!!
>
> One full month of slow computer and Microsoft didn't even notice it ?! and
> did nothing about it !
>
> I am very unhappy about this.
>
> I have consulted with my mother... she wants to buy a new laptop so she can
> sit below... this would require additional wireless routers or so... but
> ok...
>
> She wants windows 7 because she hard about it... However I told her Windows
> 7 is a risk because of it's on-going-security problems.
>
> The old computer can then still be around for the kids to use when to come
> visit.
>
> However windows xp nl 32 bit version is about to end it's life cycle.
>
> I said to her and decided that the old computer can continue to keep
> functioning until it gets trojaned/hacked and so forth...
>
> After that happens I might pirate the computer and install windows xp x64
> pro edition which at least is still supported and does seem to function
> normally.
>
> However I always have windows automatic updates off and for good reason
> too... if I had it on my computer would have been toasted by Microsoft at
> least 2 times, maybe even more.
>
> Windows Automatic Updates/The cure seems to be worse than sickness...
> However without the patches computers would be trojaned.
>
> My mother was very smart... when she started about wireless routers she
> immediatly recgonized the dangerous:
>
> Wireless routers are unsafe... she wants to do banking across it...
>
> I told her... well safety has improved a little bit... but it's indeed weak
> protection... I concurred... you are a smart mother I said... :)
>
> All in all I am not happy with the situation.
>
> I believe Microsoft should be punished for:
>
> 1. Wasting peoples time with defects.
>
> 2. Security risks.
>
> Here is my advice for Microsoft/you for now in the future:
>
> In case of though legislation being introduced to go after Microsoft and
> it's malfunctions... it would be much smarter for Microsoft to focus on it's
> core components of it's operating system and make sure that those are
> working flawlessly instead of trying to create "bloatware" which simply
> increase attack vectors and requires more security patching.
>
> If computer do get infected by flash then at least it's not Microsoft to
> blame.
>
> Do I believe my mother should pay 400 dollars/euro's for Microsoft
> Windows... HELL NO !!!
>
> The risks and costs of it to keep it working well are much higher...
> especially if I had to bill her for my time.
>
> Until Microsoft delivers an operating system which is 100.0000000% safe I do
> not believe people should have to pay for it.
>
> Instead Microsoft should be fined for putting people's time, life and money
> at risk.
>
> And yet Microsoft is the same company which wants it's software to run on
> cars ?!? ;)
>
> Don't make me laugh !
>
> Bye,
> Skybuck.

If you don't like Windows try Ubuntu. Otherwise try this:

http://www.pchell.com/support/windowsgenuineadvantage.shtml
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