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From: Anca Emanuel on 11 Jul 2010 14:10 Offtopic. I'm using Ubuntu 10.04 and kernel 2.6.35-rc1 from kernel.ubuntu.com Wonking fine (stable, but my webcam still not working). Using this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild tutorial to compile the kernel. But no success (it finish the compile but no deb packages). I have done it from virtualbox some weeks ago, and grub can not mount. Is there any tutorial how to build the kernel for Ubuntu 10.04 ? Please test it yourself in (Ubuntu 10.04): sudo cfdisk result: Bad primary partition 1. (any kernel, any enviroment). -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
From: Willy Tarreau on 12 Jul 2010 00:20 Hi Rafael, On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 11:38:28PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > It's not really advisable to call dot-0 releases "unstable" because > > it will only result in shifting the adoption point between the user > > classes above. > > IMnshO it's not exactly fair to call them "stable" either. I tend to call them > "major releases" which basically reflects what they are - events in the > development process that each start a new merge window. Nothing more, either > way. Indeed, just exactly that. Maybe the confusion comes from the title "Latest Stable Kernel" on kernel.org, which we could rename "Latest Kernel Release" whatever it reflects ? Willy -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
From: David Newall on 12 Jul 2010 03:00 Ted Ts'o wrote: > It is possible to do other types of release strategies, but look at > Debian Obsolete^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Stable if you want to see what happens > if you insist on waiting until all release blockers are fixed I don't know if Ted intended to be snide, but that is how he sounded. And yet, his comment was a fair reflection of how core developers seem to feel about stability, namely that a stable kernel is obsolete and therefore not particularly desirable. (I use the word "stable" in it's common English meaning, not the almost inexplicable Tux variation.) I think the truth is that linux kernels are only ever stable as released by distributions, and then only the more conservative of them. What comes direct from kernel.org, I mean those called "latest stable", are an exercise in dissembling. It's stable because someone calls it stable, even though it crashes and has regressions? That's not stable, that's just misleading. Stable kernels *could* be stable. Debian succeeds. If it takes them a long time, that is only because the core developers fail to release reasonable quality kernels. Don't sneer at them because they do the right thing; do the right thing yourself so that they can produce more timely updates. I don't expect fair consideration of these comments; why change when shooting the messenger is so much more satisfying? -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
From: Martin Steigerwald on 12 Jul 2010 06:00 Am Sonntag 11 Juli 2010 schrieb Willy Tarreau: > Hi Martin, Hi Willy, > On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 04:51:42PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > I hope that someone answers who actually can take some critique. From > > the current replies I perceive a lack of that ability. > > well, I'll try to do then :-) > > There were some threads in the past about kernel releases quality, > where Linus explained why it could not be completely black or white. [...] > You see, there's a kernel for everyone, and for every usage. You just > have to make your choice. And when you don't know or don't want to > guess, stick to the distro's kernel. Wow! Thanks to you and all the others who provided such constructive feedback. I need a bit of time to digest and think through it. I will answer then. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7
From: Alexey Dobriyan on 12 Jul 2010 08:50
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Marcin Letyns <mletyns(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Last time I tried freebsd it wasn't stable. It had problems with my hard > drive controler. This thread needs more anecdotal evidence. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |