From: Jeremy J Starcher on
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:15:48 +0100, transkawa wrote:

> can someone instruct on how to find directions for writing a client side
> shopping cart. i prefer writing mine than using google checkout or
> whatever exists on the internet because of the peculiarities of the
> region i am coming from.
> will really appreciate any online references. xnt

You really don't want to make it client side, for a vast number of
reasons.

1) Client side is far too easy to fake.

2) The only way to store data in a widest range of browsers is by
using cookies.[1]

3) Client side scripting may be disabled, in which case your cart is
totally useless.

4) Client side, with out some form of server side support, can't
email when the order is complete and ready to be processed.

[1] Yes, I know that newer browsers do have all sorts of nifty way to
store data locally, but I don't feel this has reached a usable level of
penetration yet.
From: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn on
Jeremy J Starcher wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Further, alt.cljs does not exist (your newsgroups list is very much out
>> of date) and this has nothing to do with the Mozilla JavaScript Engine.
>
> alt.comp.lang.javascript doesn't exist? Really?

It does not exist on well-maintained NetNews servers.

> It does exist and gets a small amount of traffic, the non-spam stuff I
> usually refer back to here.

That traffic is only coming in as crossposts from the Google Groups
*archive* and not well-maintained NetNews servers.


HTH

PointedEars
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From: Jeremy J Starcher on
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:50:15 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Jeremy J Starcher wrote:
>> alt.comp.lang.javascript doesn't exist? Really?
>
> It does not exist on well-maintained NetNews servers.
>
> That traffic is only coming in as crossposts from the Google Groups
> *archive* and not well-maintained NetNews servers.

OK, I'll admit I don't have the best understanding of things, and I am at
risk of going offtopic (but JS groups aught to be on topic in a JS group)

This is the header from the message as received in alt.cljs:

Path: s03-b19.iad!npeersf01.iad.highwinds-media.com!npeer03.iad.highwinds-
media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!
nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!news2.euro.net!news.mixmin.net!
aioe.org!not-for-mail
From: transkawa <transkawa(a)yahoo.fr>
Newsgroups:
alt.comp.lang.javascript,comp.lang.javascript,mozilla.dev.tech.javascript
Subject: writing a javascript client-side shopping cart
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:15:48 +0100
Organization: transkawa
Lines: 11
Message-ID: <MPG.263ed51d3daad5a6989684(a)nntp.aioe.org>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 4pmnk3bKxsvdAAdSORHJ4g.user.speranza.aioe.org
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)aioe.org
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2
User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.9.14
Xref: Hurricane-Charley alt.comp.lang.javascript:2733
comp.lang.javascript:209884
X-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:17:03 MST (s03-b19.iad)

Now, looking at the Message-ID, it seems to have originated from an NNTP
server.

Wouldn't messages coming in from a google-groups cross post have a
different Message-ID number? Or a hint /somewhere/ that that message was
crossposted by google?

From: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn on
Jeremy J Starcher wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Jeremy J Starcher wrote:
>>> alt.comp.lang.javascript doesn't exist? Really?
>> It does not exist on well-maintained NetNews servers.
>>
>> That traffic is only coming in as crossposts from the Google Groups
>> *archive* and not well-maintained NetNews servers.
>
> [...]
> This is the header from the message as received in alt.cljs:
> [...]
> Path: s03-b19.iad!npeersf01.iad.highwinds-media.com!npeer03.iad.highwinds-
> media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!
> nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!news2.euro.net!news.mixmin.net!
> aioe.org!not-for-mail
> [....]
> Newsgroups:
> alt.comp.lang.javascript,comp.lang.javascript,mozilla.dev.tech.javascript
> [...]
> Message-ID: <MPG.263ed51d3daad5a6989684(a)nntp.aioe.org>
> [...]
>
> Now, looking at the Message-ID, it seems to have originated from an NNTP
> server.

ISTM it must have originated from an NNTP server, or you could not read it.
("With the evolution of the Internet into mainstream use, the use of UUCP
for the exchange of electronic mail has been significantly reduced. Today,
UUCP is primarily used to link systems that are not on the Internet to a
nearby system that is connected." [UUCP2K])

> Wouldn't messages coming in from a google-groups cross post have a
> different Message-ID number?

Not necessarily. As you can see in my messages, the Message-ID can be set
by the client. And Google may synchronize with the NetNews server where the
message was injected or with one of its peers.

> Or a hint /somewhere/ that that message was crossposted by google?

If the message was coming in from or via Google NetNews servers, you should
see it in the Path header field. That is not the case here.

But AISB, the list of servers still having alt.comp.lang.javascript includes
not well-maintained NetNews servers, which includes nntp.aioe.org, from
which that message originated (as you can see in the last component of the
Path header field value).


HTH

PointedEars
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From: Dr J R Stockton on
In comp.lang.javascript message <6697806.Z0PkbqXVLH(a)PointedEars.de>,
Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:27:54, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
<PointedEars(a)web.de> posted:

>Further, alt.cljs does not exist (your newsgroups list is very much out of
>date) and this has nothing to do with the Mozilla JavaScript Engine. Please
>do not do such a mindless crosspost again.

It is carried by AIOE, Demon/Highwinds, and Eternal-september, at least.
That's all of the general servers that I use currently.

Kindly consult a mental health specialist, or a craniotomist.

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