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From: Riley on 22 Dec 2006 20:26 Got upgrade my boys system because his old Radeon 9800 Pro is having overheating problems I believe (get black screen after 30 minutes of gaming but gaming continues on) even though the case is well ventilated. The card even has one of those Arctic Coolers on it. Has that "black out" syndrome I hear Radeons. Price is a driver my decision. So I'm looking at the 6800XT, 7600GS, and X800 Pro. The first two are available at around $110 after current rebates and discounts. The later takes more time to find. I really don't want to spend more than $130 after rebates and S/H. Appreciate your comments on these boards and how they compare when running at 1024x768x16 or 32 for BF2, SW Empire at War, COD 2, Rome Total War, and SW Battlefront 2. BigSky
From: First of One on 23 Dec 2006 01:42 "Riley" <smartin60(a)verizon.net> wrote in message news:iB%ih.55$oo4.38(a)trndny09... > Got upgrade my boys system because his old Radeon 9800 Pro is having > overheating problems I believe (get black screen after 30 minutes of > gaming but gaming continues on) even though the case is well ventilated. > The card even has one of those Arctic Coolers on it. Has that "black out" > syndrome I hear Radeons. This is the stupid way of solving the problem. If the card is overheating, you improve the cooling rather than replace the card. The cooler may be ill-suited to the task, or it may be heavily clogged with dust. The silicone paste supplied by Arctic Cooling can also dry up and crack over time. > Price is a driver my decision. So I'm looking at the 6800XT, 7600GS, and > X800 Pro. The first two are available at around $110 after current > rebates and discounts. The later takes more time to find. I really don't > want to spend more than $130 after rebates and S/H. If you are set on upgrading, the X800 Pro offers better performance than the other two. Feature-wise all three cards are effectively equal (the 6800XT and 7600GS are too slow to use their Shader Model 3.0 effects in real games). Looking on Pricegrabber, though, prices for X800 Pro AGP cards start at $200. -- "War is the continuation of politics by other means. It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
From: Larry Roberts on 23 Dec 2006 09:58 On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 01:42:14 -0500, "First of One" <root(a)localhost> wrote: >"Riley" <smartin60(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >news:iB%ih.55$oo4.38(a)trndny09... >> Got upgrade my boys system because his old Radeon 9800 Pro is having >> overheating problems I believe (get black screen after 30 minutes of >> gaming but gaming continues on) even though the case is well ventilated. >> The card even has one of those Arctic Coolers on it. Has that "black out" >> syndrome I hear Radeons. > >This is the stupid way of solving the problem. If the card is overheating, >you improve the cooling rather than replace the card. The cooler may be >ill-suited to the task, or it may be heavily clogged with dust. The silicone >paste supplied by Arctic Cooling can also dry up and crack over time. > >> Price is a driver my decision. So I'm looking at the 6800XT, 7600GS, and >> X800 Pro. The first two are available at around $110 after current >> rebates and discounts. The later takes more time to find. I really don't >> want to spend more than $130 after rebates and S/H. > >If you are set on upgrading, the X800 Pro offers better performance than the >other two. Feature-wise all three cards are effectively equal (the 6800XT >and 7600GS are too slow to use their Shader Model 3.0 effects in real >games). Looking on Pricegrabber, though, prices for X800 Pro AGP cards start >at $200. If he games at 1024x768, or lower, the 7600GS can render SM 3.0 games nicely. For his budget, the 7600GS would be a nice choice. I feel the 6800XT is just barely better than the 6600GT, while the 7600GS is quite better than the 6600GT. I see that an X800GTO AGP with 256bit DDR3 at newegg.com cost $139.99, while a 7600GS AGP with 128bit DDR2 start at $119.99. Some reviewes claim the X800 GTO can be unlocked to 16 pixelpipes.
From: BigSky on 23 Dec 2006 13:30 Well, how to I answer this one. "Stupid" is a rather harsh answer considering you have no idea what steps I have already taken to address the overheating issue. First, I have cleaned out the Arctic Cooler and verified it is sitting snugly against the GPU. Second, I put new Arctic Ceramic Paste on the GPU about 4 months ago. Third, it is well know across the net that ATI series 97XX and 98XX cards have overheating problems when running on motherboards with older VIA chipsets (400 series as I have and earlier). I have a similar issue with a 9700 Pro running on a KT300 VIA chipset. I had to use ATI tray tools to set the AGP at 4x and turn off fast writes to prevent the black screens. I couldn't increase the AGP voltage as suggested because my motherboards don't support that option. Using older ATI drivers or Omega drivers adds some stability but invariably the 9800 Pro gets very hot...at least the memory does even though I have large copper heatsinks on them. Fourth, I have an 80mm fan blowing over the back half of the card which pulls in cool air from a perforated vent in the side panel to keep the memory cool and push cool air to the Arctic Cooler. I also have a 120mm case fan in the back of the case running at full speed to pull in plenty of fresh air. Fifth, the CPU pulls in fresh air directly from the side panel via a vent tube. Sixth, I'm not overclocking this card or the Sempron 3000+ socket A CPU. It seems to survive longer playing with COD 2 but will only last 30-40 minutes with BF 2. So, I'm on top of the cooling issue. I think this card is either going bad OR its just a manifestation of this VIA-ATI-driver issue that is plagueing these older cards. It almost seems like ATI is trying to get us to upgrade our cards on purpose. BigSky "First of One" <root(a)localhost> wrote in message news:Ht-dnaF-_eQpUhHYnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > "Riley" <smartin60(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > news:iB%ih.55$oo4.38(a)trndny09... >> Got upgrade my boys system because his old Radeon 9800 Pro is having >> overheating problems I believe (get black screen after 30 minutes of >> gaming but gaming continues on) even though the case is well ventilated. >> The card even has one of those Arctic Coolers on it. Has that "black >> out" syndrome I hear Radeons. > > This is the stupid way of solving the problem. If the card is overheating, > you improve the cooling rather than replace the card. The cooler may be > ill-suited to the task, or it may be heavily clogged with dust. The > silicone paste supplied by Arctic Cooling can also dry up and crack over > time. > >> Price is a driver my decision. So I'm looking at the 6800XT, 7600GS, and >> X800 Pro. The first two are available at around $110 after current >> rebates and discounts. The later takes more time to find. I really >> don't want to spend more than $130 after rebates and S/H. > > If you are set on upgrading, the X800 Pro offers better performance than > the other two. Feature-wise all three cards are effectively equal (the > 6800XT and 7600GS are too slow to use their Shader Model 3.0 effects in > real games). Looking on Pricegrabber, though, prices for X800 Pro AGP > cards start at $200. > > -- > "War is the continuation of politics by other means. > It can therefore be said that politics is war without > bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." > > >
From: BigSky on 23 Dec 2006 13:43
UDPATE: I'm actually using a newer socket 754 motherboard, NFORCE based, with card now and have the same issues as with the Sempron 3000+ socket A, VIA based, motherboard. So I definitely think the problem is the card, the drivers, the game settings, or a combination of these factors. Sure do miss my stable TI-4200 that is gathering dust but it doesn't support BF2. Big Sky "BigSky" <bmartin1984(a)verizon.net> wrote in message news:qBejh.1253$6Z5.509(a)trndny01... > Well, how to I answer this one. "Stupid" is a rather harsh answer > considering you have no idea what steps I have already taken to address > the overheating issue. First, I have cleaned out the Arctic Cooler and > verified it is sitting snugly against the GPU. Second, I put new Arctic > Ceramic Paste on the GPU about 4 months ago. Third, it is well know > across the net that ATI series 97XX and 98XX cards have overheating > problems when running on motherboards with older VIA chipsets (400 series > as I have and earlier). I have a similar issue with a 9700 Pro running on > a KT300 VIA chipset. I had to use ATI tray tools to set the AGP at 4x and > turn off fast writes to prevent the black screens. I couldn't increase > the AGP voltage as suggested because my motherboards don't support that > option. Using older ATI drivers or Omega drivers adds some stability but > invariably the 9800 Pro gets very hot...at least the memory does even > though I have large copper heatsinks on them. Fourth, I have an 80mm fan > blowing over the back half of the card which pulls in cool air from a > perforated vent in the side panel to keep the memory cool and push cool > air to the Arctic Cooler. I also have a 120mm case fan in the back of the > case running at full speed to pull in plenty of fresh air. Fifth, the CPU > pulls in fresh air directly from the side panel via a vent tube. Sixth, > I'm not overclocking this card or the Sempron 3000+ socket A CPU. It > seems to survive longer playing with COD 2 but will only last 30-40 > minutes with BF 2. > > So, I'm on top of the cooling issue. I think this card is either going > bad OR its just a manifestation of this VIA-ATI-driver issue that is > plagueing these older cards. It almost seems like ATI is trying to get us > to upgrade our cards on purpose. > > BigSky > > "First of One" <root(a)localhost> wrote in message > news:Ht-dnaF-_eQpUhHYnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> "Riley" <smartin60(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:iB%ih.55$oo4.38(a)trndny09... >>> Got upgrade my boys system because his old Radeon 9800 Pro is having >>> overheating problems I believe (get black screen after 30 minutes of >>> gaming but gaming continues on) even though the case is well >>> ventilated. The card even has one of those Arctic Coolers on it. Has >>> that "black out" syndrome I hear Radeons. >> >> This is the stupid way of solving the problem. If the card is >> overheating, you improve the cooling rather than replace the card. The >> cooler may be ill-suited to the task, or it may be heavily clogged with >> dust. The silicone paste supplied by Arctic Cooling can also dry up and >> crack over time. >> >>> Price is a driver my decision. So I'm looking at the 6800XT, 7600GS, >>> and X800 Pro. The first two are available at around $110 after current >>> rebates and discounts. The later takes more time to find. I really >>> don't want to spend more than $130 after rebates and S/H. >> >> If you are set on upgrading, the X800 Pro offers better performance than >> the other two. Feature-wise all three cards are effectively equal (the >> 6800XT and 7600GS are too slow to use their Shader Model 3.0 effects in >> real games). Looking on Pricegrabber, though, prices for X800 Pro AGP >> cards start at $200. >> >> -- >> "War is the continuation of politics by other means. >> It can therefore be said that politics is war without >> bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." >> >> >> > > |