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From: Dmitry A. Kazakov on 19 May 2010 05:52
On Wed, 19 May 2010 05:22:35 -0400, Stephen Leake wrote:

> As Ludovic points out, that does not cover the entire Linux Ada community.

We need not to cover it, we need those who maintain distributions. Even
less than that, only those who determine policy rules for Ada. It is likely
less than one dozen.

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Dmitry A. Kazakov
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From: Ludovic Brenta on 19 May 2010 06:41
Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2010 05:22:35 -0400, Stephen Leake wrote:
> > As Ludovic points out, that does not cover the entire Linux Ada community.
>
> We need not to cover it, we need those who maintain distributions. Even
> less than that, only those who determine policy rules for Ada. It is likely
> less than one dozen.

Dmitry, I like it when people have grandiose ideas on how to change
the world but I like it better when they actually do it. So please,
now that you've identified the problem pretty well, go ahead and send
the invitations.

--
Ludovic Brenta.
From: Dmitry A. Kazakov on 19 May 2010 08:23
On Wed, 19 May 2010 03:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Ludovic Brenta wrote:

> Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 05:22:35 -0400, Stephen Leake wrote:
>>> As Ludovic points out, that does not cover the entire Linux Ada community.
>>
>> We need not to cover it, we need those who maintain distributions. Even
>> less than that, only those who determine policy rules for Ada. It is likely
>> less than one dozen.
>
> Dmitry, I like it when people have grandiose ideas on how to change
> the world but I like it better when they actually do it. So please,
> now that you've identified the problem pretty well, go ahead and send
> the invitations.

I am not a maintainer, not even a regular Linux user. If maintainers don't
want it, then they don't. No need for other reasons. After all there is the
Linux Standard Base project. In ten years they may come up with something,
and then force Ada maintainers to something more usable.

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Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
From: Ludovic Brenta on 19 May 2010 09:21
Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote on comp.lang.ada:
> On Wed, 19 May 2010 03:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Ludovic Brenta wrote:
>> Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 05:22:35 -0400, Stephen Leake wrote:
>>>> As Ludovic points out, that does not cover the entire Linux Ada community.
>
>>> We need not to cover it, we need those who maintain distributions. Even
>>> less than that, only those who determine policy rules for Ada. It is likely
>>> less than one dozen.
>
>> Dmitry, I like it when people have grandiose ideas on how to change
>> the world but I like it better when they actually do it.  So please,
>> now that you've identified the problem pretty well, go ahead and send
>> the invitations.
>
> I am not a maintainer, not even a regular Linux user. If maintainers don't
> want it, then they don't. No need for other reasons. After all there is the
> Linux Standard Base project. In ten years they may come up with something,
> and then force Ada maintainers to something more usable.

I don't think they will even in 20 years. The Linux Standards Base is,
by design, a lowest common denominator and Ada is probably well below
their radar. If they ever hear about Ada and GNAT, they'll probably
think this is a "specialized" language and tool best left outside
their standards.

Also, in the Free Software world, you must scratch your own itch; you
cannot just assume that someone else will.

On a purely theoretical level, I am all in favor of more and unified
support for Ada in all GNU/Linux distributions. But this vision can
only be fulfilled when someone who really wants this problem solved
does the work. When such a person comes along I will gladly
cooperate.

--
Ludovic Brenta.
From: Björn Persson on 19 May 2010 09:24
Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:

> On Tue, 18 May 2010 02:53:05 -0700 (PDT), Ludovic Brenta wrote:
>
>> In the thread "One united Ada policy for all Linux distributions?" I
>> enumerated the GNAT distribution maintainers that I know about; you
>> will see that few of them read comp.lang.ada (of if they do, they are
>> very silent about it).
>
> OK, I agree. The web distance is not 0. Isn't 1? I.e. any Linux GNAT
> maintainer is known to somebody in c.l.a?

Well, I don't exactly know the people who maintain GCC ? including Gnat ? in
Fedora, but I know where I can find their names and an email address that
should reach them. You may count that as distance 1 if you like. I don't
know if the same people also maintain GCC in RHEL or if someone else does
that, so that's at least distance 2 unless someone else here in c.l.a is
more involved in RHEL than I am. Then there are a plethora of other
Gnu/Linux distributions that may include all of the GCC front ends or only
some of them. Does Mandriva include Gnat? Does Slackware? Arch? I have no
idea. If they include it, I'd be surprised if anyone here knows who the
maintainers are.

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