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From: GMAN on 9 Jun 2010 21:25
In article <a6e8f$4c100ece$4831ece8$3554(a)FUSE.NET>, JBC <spheresofbalance(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>Steve wrote:
>> In article <4062b$4c0fe379$4831ece8$24774(a)FUSE.NET>,
>> spheresofbalance(a)yahoo.com says...
>>> GMAN wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> You just need to replace the CR2032 battery that is on the board. They cost
>
>>>> like $2.99 at walmart.
>>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> But I don't think so. In my 16 years of building IBM clones, I've never
>>> seen a MB whose BIOS wouldn't save data just because the "Battery
>>> backup" was dead;
>> <snip>
>>
>> In my 26 years of working on PCs and their clones; I have. So you can
>> swap out the battery with a known good one and prove us wrong, or
>> have a working motherboard.
>>
>>> Joe
>
>You're a dense prick, my longevity quote was clearly an "I'm not a
>sap(newbie)" statement because GMAN's answer was obviously rushed.
>While your's is clearly all about competition as with the sarcasm. I
>know a man that's been with various women for over 67 years and still
>doesn't know how to treat them. Obviously long lived exposure doesn't
>necessarily equate with knowledge. Grow up boy and stop using computers
>to release your misplaced frustrations.

It wasnt a rushed comment on my part, it was just a try the cheapest route to
see if it helps. The age of your MB screams the fact that you at least need a
new battery anywys. Thats all i was commenting on, it wouldnt cost you much to
try.



>
>Check out Paul's response. He's got class and it has nothing to do with
>his knowledge, but rather his attitude. He seems to really want to help
>someone, A TRUE Gentleman and Scholar. You sound like a washed up
>loser, get a grip. Thanks for nothing!


What?
From: GMAN on 9 Jun 2010 21:27
In article <3b298$4c101166$4831ece8$9000(a)FUSE.NET>, JBC <spheresofbalance(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>Paul wrote:
>> JBC wrote:
>>> GMAN wrote:
>>>> In article <149ce$4c0fd9e9$4831ece8$26365(a)FUSE.NET>, JBC
>>>> <spheresofbalance(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> The other day I switched on my ASUS A7N8X Deluxe Rev 1.04 MB and got
>>>>> no video signal (yellow LED on monitor) as well as no other activity
>>>>> or indications. After removing all cards, dusting off CPU heatsink
>>>>> and MB, reseating DIMM�s and Vid card & swapping Vid card I still
>>>>> had the same indications. So I decided to remove the RTC/Setup
>>>>> battery and reset BIOS to defaults. Upon boot I got video and was
>>>>> able to enter the setup utility but as soon as I �saved any� changes
>>>>> I got the same indications as mentioned above. So I reset again, and
>>>>> again got video and was able to enter setup but was unable to �save
>>>>> any� BIOS settings without it reverting back to the �black screen of
>>>>> death.� I repeated it several more times to ensure that it was
>>>>> consistent, and it was.
>>>>>
>>>>> So my question is: with the indications above, can anyone tell what
>>>>> the probability is that the problem is the BIOS chip or that it�s
>>>>> the MB circuitry that supports the BIOS chip. I really don�t want
>>>>> to spend the money on the chip just to find out it�s the board.
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>> You just need to replace the CR2032 battery that is on the board.
>>>> They cost like $2.99 at walmart.
>>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> But I don't think so. In my 16 years of building IBM clones, I've
>>> never seen a MB whose BIOS wouldn't save data just because the
>>> "Battery backup" was dead; which is all that battery does. It's there
>>> just in case you loose AC power so you don't loose all your BIOS
>>> settings. A capacitor actually keeps the BIOS settings while you have
>>> AC power. If you loose AC power that battery takes over until such
>>> time that AC power is restored.
>>>
>>> Thanks anyway.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>
>> That would depend on whether there was damage to the dual ORing diode
>> feeding 3V to the Southbridge. If the path from +5VSB/3VSB is burned out,
>> you'd be dependent on the battery. The diode is sometimes damaged
>> by using the "clear CMOS" jumper and leaving the power on the
>> computer running.
>>
>> As an example, download this document and look at page 18. If diode
>> D2 is burned, then you're dependent on the CMOS battery and D3, to
>> save settings. Many motherboards in the past, would short node JP17
>> to ground, as a way to "clear CMOS", as an example of a way that
>> diode D2 can be burned if the computer power is left on. On
>> modern computers, both of those diodes are housed in a three pin
>> package that looks like a SMT transistor. The burned dual diode can be
>> burned bad enough, that you can't read the part number off of it,
>> to order a replacement.
>>
>> http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/designex/BXDPDG10.htm
>>
>> There was a serious bug with those motherboards, in that saving settings
>> could result in the motherboard never posting again.
>>
>> http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/image-vp32049.html
>>
>> But your symptoms don't match that bug, as you're able to recover.
>> My theory is far-fetched, and I don't have any other suggestions as
>> to why settings could not be saved in the CMOS 256 byte RAM block.
>> You'd think, in any case, the motherboard would compute the checksum
>> on the CMOS block (no matter what state it is in), and figure out it
>> was corrupted, and return everything to default settings again. It
>> shouldn't really black screen, unless the checksum is correct by accident,
>> and the BIOS "eats" the bad settings.
>>
>> If you have a magnifying glass, the dual diode typically has a marking
>> of "K45" on top, and should be located in the neighborhood of the battery.
>>
>> Other places to look for a symptom match, would be these forums
>>
>>
> http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx?board_id=1&model=A7N8X+Deluxe&SLanguage=e
>n-us
>>
>>
>> or some of the nforcershq.com postings might help. This site has a
>> glossy new GUI... the downside, is it's harder to find the posts
>> for the older motherboards.
>>
>> http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/post562671.html#p562671
>>
>> Paul
>
>Thanks a lot Paul. I really appreciate the length at which you'll go to
>help someone. And unlike some people, you address the problem and not
>the symptoms. Very professional in deed (indeed)!
>
>Now I'll take some time and mull over all the resources you've been kind
>enough to provide.
>
>Again thanks much. I hope I can someday repay you, or maybe it will
>just be enough to pay it forward. ;-)
>
>Have a good one!

If you do try a new battery, will you at least tell us if it helped?

From: JBC on 9 Jun 2010 22:11
GMAN wrote:
> In article <a6e8f$4c100ece$4831ece8$3554(a)FUSE.NET>, JBC <spheresofbalance(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Steve wrote:
>>> In article <4062b$4c0fe379$4831ece8$24774(a)FUSE.NET>,
>>> spheresofbalance(a)yahoo.com says...
>>>> GMAN wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>> You just need to replace the CR2032 battery that is on the board. They cost
>>>>> like $2.99 at walmart.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> But I don't think so. In my 16 years of building IBM clones, I've never
>>>> seen a MB whose BIOS wouldn't save data just because the "Battery
>>>> backup" was dead;
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> In my 26 years of working on PCs and their clones; I have. So you can
>>> swap out the battery with a known good one and prove us wrong, or
>>> have a working motherboard.
>>>
>>>> Joe
>> You're a dense prick, my longevity quote was clearly an "I'm not a
>> sap(newbie)" statement because GMAN's answer was obviously rushed.
>> While your's is clearly all about competition as with the sarcasm. I
>> know a man that's been with various women for over 67 years and still
>> doesn't know how to treat them. Obviously long lived exposure doesn't
>> necessarily equate with knowledge. Grow up boy and stop using computers
>> to release your misplaced frustrations.
>
> It wasnt a rushed comment on my part, it was just a try the cheapest route to
> see if it helps. The age of your MB screams the fact that you at least need a
> new battery anywys. Thats all i was commenting on, it wouldnt cost you much to
> try.

Sorry that you misunderstood my brief description of your original
efforts. What I meant was that I know for a fact that it's not supposed
to work that way because of my long lived experience and while it could
be that there was something unusual with this particular board, I've
already changed the battery once before and the indications I've
outlined are not consistent with the previous symptoms. So I know that
your solution is incorrect with respect to "PROPER" operation. I'm not
one of those backyard mechanics that holds things together with bailing
wire and bubble gum. My longest lived job was in aviation and you never
take shortcuts. I find the EXACT cause and do the EXACT fix required.
Nothing else is acceptable! As Paul mentioned, if a diode is fried, a
diode I'll replace. It won't be a problem because I also worked as an
Electronics tech for a short period of time (not on MB's) on Audio
equipment. But a diode is a diode no matter what the package. And my
soldering skills are more than adequate. So in my mind "rushed" is
indicative of not considering a diode. Also the flow of the message
seems somewhat rushed, not well thought out. Nothing personal just my
take, my opinion.

>
>> Check out Paul's response. He's got class and it has nothing to do with
>> his knowledge, but rather his attitude. He seems to really want to help
>> someone, A TRUE Gentleman and Scholar. You sound like a washed up
>> loser, get a grip. Thanks for nothing!
>
>
> What?

Are you new to USENET? that comment, in fact this entire message was
for Steve. Thats how thread hierarchy works. The persons message a
particular message is attached to is a response to that particular
person and no others.

As I previously said, THANKS for your EFFORT! I'm always extremely
appreciative of those that are altruistic in their response. But anyone
thats more concerned with jerking their own chain can go jerk it elsewhere.
From: JBC on 9 Jun 2010 22:13
GMAN wrote:
> In article <3b298$4c101166$4831ece8$9000(a)FUSE.NET>, JBC <spheresofbalance(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> JBC wrote:
>>>> GMAN wrote:
>>>>> In article <149ce$4c0fd9e9$4831ece8$26365(a)FUSE.NET>, JBC
>>>>> <spheresofbalance(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The other day I switched on my ASUS A7N8X Deluxe Rev 1.04 MB and got
>>>>>> no video signal (yellow LED on monitor) as well as no other activity
>>>>>> or indications. After removing all cards, dusting off CPU heatsink
>>>>>> and MB, reseating DIMM�s and Vid card & swapping Vid card I still
>>>>>> had the same indications. So I decided to remove the RTC/Setup
>>>>>> battery and reset BIOS to defaults. Upon boot I got video and was
>>>>>> able to enter the setup utility but as soon as I �saved any� changes
>>>>>> I got the same indications as mentioned above. So I reset again, and
>>>>>> again got video and was able to enter setup but was unable to �save
>>>>>> any� BIOS settings without it reverting back to the �black screen of
>>>>>> death.� I repeated it several more times to ensure that it was
>>>>>> consistent, and it was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So my question is: with the indications above, can anyone tell what
>>>>>> the probability is that the problem is the BIOS chip or that it�s
>>>>>> the MB circuitry that supports the BIOS chip. I really don�t want
>>>>>> to spend the money on the chip just to find out it�s the board.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>> You just need to replace the CR2032 battery that is on the board.
>>>>> They cost like $2.99 at walmart.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> But I don't think so. In my 16 years of building IBM clones, I've
>>>> never seen a MB whose BIOS wouldn't save data just because the
>>>> "Battery backup" was dead; which is all that battery does. It's there
>>>> just in case you loose AC power so you don't loose all your BIOS
>>>> settings. A capacitor actually keeps the BIOS settings while you have
>>>> AC power. If you loose AC power that battery takes over until such
>>>> time that AC power is restored.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>> That would depend on whether there was damage to the dual ORing diode
>>> feeding 3V to the Southbridge. If the path from +5VSB/3VSB is burned out,
>>> you'd be dependent on the battery. The diode is sometimes damaged
>>> by using the "clear CMOS" jumper and leaving the power on the
>>> computer running.
>>>
>>> As an example, download this document and look at page 18. If diode
>>> D2 is burned, then you're dependent on the CMOS battery and D3, to
>>> save settings. Many motherboards in the past, would short node JP17
>>> to ground, as a way to "clear CMOS", as an example of a way that
>>> diode D2 can be burned if the computer power is left on. On
>>> modern computers, both of those diodes are housed in a three pin
>>> package that looks like a SMT transistor. The burned dual diode can be
>>> burned bad enough, that you can't read the part number off of it,
>>> to order a replacement.
>>>
>>> http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/designex/BXDPDG10.htm
>>>
>>> There was a serious bug with those motherboards, in that saving settings
>>> could result in the motherboard never posting again.
>>>
>>> http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/image-vp32049.html
>>>
>>> But your symptoms don't match that bug, as you're able to recover.
>>> My theory is far-fetched, and I don't have any other suggestions as
>>> to why settings could not be saved in the CMOS 256 byte RAM block.
>>> You'd think, in any case, the motherboard would compute the checksum
>>> on the CMOS block (no matter what state it is in), and figure out it
>>> was corrupted, and return everything to default settings again. It
>>> shouldn't really black screen, unless the checksum is correct by accident,
>>> and the BIOS "eats" the bad settings.
>>>
>>> If you have a magnifying glass, the dual diode typically has a marking
>>> of "K45" on top, and should be located in the neighborhood of the battery.
>>>
>>> Other places to look for a symptom match, would be these forums
>>>
>>>
>> http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx?board_id=1&model=A7N8X+Deluxe&SLanguage=e
>> n-us
>>>
>>> or some of the nforcershq.com postings might help. This site has a
>>> glossy new GUI... the downside, is it's harder to find the posts
>>> for the older motherboards.
>>>
>>> http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/post562671.html#p562671
>>>
>>> Paul
>> Thanks a lot Paul. I really appreciate the length at which you'll go to
>> help someone. And unlike some people, you address the problem and not
>> the symptoms. Very professional in deed (indeed)!
>>
>> Now I'll take some time and mull over all the resources you've been kind
>> enough to provide.
>>
>> Again thanks much. I hope I can someday repay you, or maybe it will
>> just be enough to pay it forward. ;-)
>>
>> Have a good one!
>
> If you do try a new battery, will you at least tell us if it helped?
>
Sure, if you need it.
From: GMAN on 10 Jun 2010 00:26
In article <96452$4c104a77$4831ece8$8196(a)FUSE.NET>, JBC <spheresofbalance(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>GMAN wrote:
>> In article <3b298$4c101166$4831ece8$9000(a)FUSE.NET>, JBC
> <spheresofbalance(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> JBC wrote:
>>>>> GMAN wrote:
>>>>>> In article <149ce$4c0fd9e9$4831ece8$26365(a)FUSE.NET>, JBC
>>>>>> <spheresofbalance(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> The other day I switched on my ASUS A7N8X Deluxe Rev 1.04 MB and got
>>>>>>> no video signal (yellow LED on monitor) as well as no other activity
>>>>>>> or indications. After removing all cards, dusting off CPU heatsink
>>>>>>> and MB, reseating DIMM�s and Vid card & swapping Vid card I still
>>>>>>> had the same indications. So I decided to remove the RTC/Setup
>>>>>>> battery and reset BIOS to defaults. Upon boot I got video and was
>>>>>>> able to enter the setup utility but as soon as I �saved any� changes
>>>>>>> I got the same indications as mentioned above. So I reset again, and
>>>>>>> again got video and was able to enter setup but was unable to �save
>>>>>>> any� BIOS settings without it reverting back to the �black screen of
>>>>>>> death.� I repeated it several more times to ensure that it was
>>>>>>> consistent, and it was.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So my question is: with the indications above, can anyone tell what
>>>>>>> the probability is that the problem is the BIOS chip or that it�s
>>>>>>> the MB circuitry that supports the BIOS chip. I really don�t want
>>>>>>> to spend the money on the chip just to find out it�s the board.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>> You just need to replace the CR2032 battery that is on the board.
>>>>>> They cost like $2.99 at walmart.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> But I don't think so. In my 16 years of building IBM clones, I've
>>>>> never seen a MB whose BIOS wouldn't save data just because the
>>>>> "Battery backup" was dead; which is all that battery does. It's there
>>>>> just in case you loose AC power so you don't loose all your BIOS
>>>>> settings. A capacitor actually keeps the BIOS settings while you have
>>>>> AC power. If you loose AC power that battery takes over until such
>>>>> time that AC power is restored.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>> That would depend on whether there was damage to the dual ORing diode
>>>> feeding 3V to the Southbridge. If the path from +5VSB/3VSB is burned out,
>>>> you'd be dependent on the battery. The diode is sometimes damaged
>>>> by using the "clear CMOS" jumper and leaving the power on the
>>>> computer running.
>>>>
>>>> As an example, download this document and look at page 18. If diode
>>>> D2 is burned, then you're dependent on the CMOS battery and D3, to
>>>> save settings. Many motherboards in the past, would short node JP17
>>>> to ground, as a way to "clear CMOS", as an example of a way that
>>>> diode D2 can be burned if the computer power is left on. On
>>>> modern computers, both of those diodes are housed in a three pin
>>>> package that looks like a SMT transistor. The burned dual diode can be
>>>> burned bad enough, that you can't read the part number off of it,
>>>> to order a replacement.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/designex/BXDPDG10.htm
>>>>
>>>> There was a serious bug with those motherboards, in that saving settings
>>>> could result in the motherboard never posting again.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/image-vp32049.html
>>>>
>>>> But your symptoms don't match that bug, as you're able to recover.
>>>> My theory is far-fetched, and I don't have any other suggestions as
>>>> to why settings could not be saved in the CMOS 256 byte RAM block.
>>>> You'd think, in any case, the motherboard would compute the checksum
>>>> on the CMOS block (no matter what state it is in), and figure out it
>>>> was corrupted, and return everything to default settings again. It
>>>> shouldn't really black screen, unless the checksum is correct by accident,
>>>> and the BIOS "eats" the bad settings.
>>>>
>>>> If you have a magnifying glass, the dual diode typically has a marking
>>>> of "K45" on top, and should be located in the neighborhood of the battery.
>>>>
>>>> Other places to look for a symptom match, would be these forums
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
> http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx?board_id=1&model=A7N8X+Deluxe&SLanguage=e
>>> n-us
>>>>
>>>> or some of the nforcershq.com postings might help. This site has a
>>>> glossy new GUI... the downside, is it's harder to find the posts
>>>> for the older motherboards.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/post562671.html#p562671
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>> Thanks a lot Paul. I really appreciate the length at which you'll go to
>>> help someone. And unlike some people, you address the problem and not
>>> the symptoms. Very professional in deed (indeed)!
>>>
>>> Now I'll take some time and mull over all the resources you've been kind
>>> enough to provide.
>>>
>>> Again thanks much. I hope I can someday repay you, or maybe it will
>>> just be enough to pay it forward. ;-)
>>>
>>> Have a good one!
>>
>> If you do try a new battery, will you at least tell us if it helped?
>>
>Sure, if you need it.


No "I" dont need it or my ego stroked. As you said to me, areyou new to
usenet??? It helps others that may have a similar problem to have the
solution that you find reported here so that others in their search can be
helped. With your arrogant attitude you have showed to me when all i cared
about was helping out, you can do whatever you want. I dont care anymore.

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