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From: Fed on 19 Dec 2005 23:25
Thanks very much Mr. Chambers, Mr. Candy and Mr. Hall. Extremely prompt
response! I checked up on the MS help page and it did say that the specific
binary error may be fixed by:
1-going into bios and disabling hdd caching
2-UDMA drive controller being replaced by 80 pin instead of 40 pin.

Thing is its a Toshiba Satellite 5105 laptop - so the pin should not be a
problem! I did see a BIOS patch on Toshiba support - but how do I install it
(or the hdd diagnostic utility with no windows?) At least it ain't a virus -
thanks guys, you're all doing a great job here with the responses!

"Bruce Chambers" wrote:

> Fed wrote:
> > Real basic question....I dont really consider myself a newbie but I dont know
> > how to load windows xp in dos mode. F8 says safe mode options but no dos!
> >
>
>
> There is no way to reboot a WinXP PC into Real Mode DOS unless
> you've set up a dual-boot system. The WinNT family of 32-bit graphical
> operating systems, of which WinXP is the latest generation, has never
> used, included, or "ridden upon" MS-DOS. The Recovery Console's CLI
> (Command Line Interface) is the closest you can come to the old "DOS mode."
>
>
> > I think I got a virus - blue screen of death saying 'unmountable hard drive'
> > and computer is not restarting in safe mode OR in last known config. - just
> > shuts down after windows xp splash screen.
>
>
> That's doesn't sound at all like a virus, but it does sound very much
> like a hard drive failure. Check the hard drive manufacturer's web site
> for a diagnostic utility you can download and use to test the hard
> drive. You should also check with the motherboard manufacturer to see
> if there's a BIOS patch available to address any known issues with the
> IDE controllers.
>
>
> > Want to reformat and reinstall
> > windows (something I long wanted to do....)
> >
>
> Simply boot from the WinXP installation CD. You'll be offered the
> opportunity to delete, create, and format partitions as part of the
> installation process. (You may need to re-arrange the order of boot
> devices in the PC's BIOS to boot from the CD.)
>
> HOW TO Install Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;316941
>
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html
>
> http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/clean_install.htm
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
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>
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>
From: Bill Helbron on 20 Dec 2005 10:09
Mike,

Your statement that "XP has no DOS mode" was very interesting since I have a
minor but minor issue - I'm using a 1280 x 1024 screen resolution. When my
system initially boots, the "DOS" BIOS window comes on very briefly (so briefly
that you bearly have time to read it!), followed by a "DOS" info screen, then
the normal XP start-up window. The issue is that these "DOS" screens are at very
low resolution - certainly not at 1280 x 1024. Why are these screens not at the
higher resolution?

Bill


On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:57:27 -0500, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)" <mikehalll(a)mvps.org>
wrote:

>Fed
>
>Windows XP has no DOS mode, so is not possible..
>
>Go to this site for info on how to restore your boot.ini file..
>
>http://www.windowsreinstall.com/install/winxp/howto3/unmountable.htm
From: David Candy on 20 Dec 2005 10:14
Nothing to do with dos that isn;t involved at all.

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"Bill Helbron" <jw.helbron(a)verizon.net> wrote in message news:r57gq1pc5lms08ahmgeov9ogdf7s2brkkk(a)4ax.com...
> Mike,
>
> Your statement that "XP has no DOS mode" was very interesting since I have a
> minor but minor issue - I'm using a 1280 x 1024 screen resolution. When my
> system initially boots, the "DOS" BIOS window comes on very briefly (so briefly
> that you bearly have time to read it!), followed by a "DOS" info screen, then
> the normal XP start-up window. The issue is that these "DOS" screens are at very
> low resolution - certainly not at 1280 x 1024. Why are these screens not at the
> higher resolution?
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:57:27 -0500, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)" <mikehalll(a)mvps.org>
> wrote:
>
>>Fed
>>
>>Windows XP has no DOS mode, so is not possible..
>>
>>Go to this site for info on how to restore your boot.ini file..
>>
>>http://www.windowsreinstall.com/install/winxp/howto3/unmountable.htm
From: Mike Hall (MS-MVP) on 20 Dec 2005 10:52
Bill

The initialisation screen is not DOS.. it may look like a screen running
DOS, but that is where it ends.. you must also bear in mind that Windows has
not yet started, so any settings pertinent to your Windows installation will
not have initialised at that point..

ALL computer systems run an initialisation screen at start up, whether they
run Windows, UNIX, Linux, DOS etc.. none of the screens are attributable to
DOS.. anything appearing on your screen at start up is generated by code
encapsulated in the system's BIOS ROM chip, and will appear completely
independent of whatever operating system is present on the system drive..

DOS was/is an operating system in it's own right, not a screen appearance..
if my memory serves me correctly, it was originally QDOS (Quick Dirty
Operating System), later changed to DOS (Disk Operating System)

Microsoft Windows NT, 2000, and XP are not GUI (Graphical User Interface)
shells running on a DOS (DOS 7) base as per Microsoft Windows 9x/ME..

Some of the old DOS commands are available in Command Prompt, but that does
not mean that DOS, the operating system, exists in XP.. what it means is
that some of the old, familiar DOS commands will still do something within
XP..


--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


"Bill Helbron" <jw.helbron(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
news:r57gq1pc5lms08ahmgeov9ogdf7s2brkkk(a)4ax.com...
> Mike,
>
> Your statement that "XP has no DOS mode" was very interesting since I have
> a
> minor but minor issue - I'm using a 1280 x 1024 screen resolution. When my
> system initially boots, the "DOS" BIOS window comes on very briefly (so
> briefly
> that you bearly have time to read it!), followed by a "DOS" info screen,
> then
> the normal XP start-up window. The issue is that these "DOS" screens are
> at very
> low resolution - certainly not at 1280 x 1024. Why are these screens not
> at the
> higher resolution?
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:57:27 -0500, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)"
> <mikehalll(a)mvps.org>
> wrote:
>
>>Fed
>>
>>Windows XP has no DOS mode, so is not possible..
>>
>>Go to this site for info on how to restore your boot.ini file..
>>
>>http://www.windowsreinstall.com/install/winxp/howto3/unmountable.htm


From: Bill Helbron on 20 Dec 2005 16:12
Hi Mike,

Thanks for the info! The main reason I asked the question in the first place is
that I always noticed that the initial screen that came up was in a large
DOS-like font and some of the text was actually off the left side of the screen.
That's why I had thought it was resolution-related, but I didn't think about the
fact that XP hadn't loaded yet!

Bill

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:52:14 -0500, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)" <mikehalll(a)mvps.org>
wrote:

>Bill
>
>The initialisation screen is not DOS.. it may look like a screen running
>DOS, but that is where it ends.. you must also bear in mind that Windows has
>not yet started, so any settings pertinent to your Windows installation will
>not have initialised at that point..
>
>ALL computer systems run an initialisation screen at start up, whether they
>run Windows, UNIX, Linux, DOS etc.. none of the screens are attributable to
>DOS.. anything appearing on your screen at start up is generated by code
>encapsulated in the system's BIOS ROM chip, and will appear completely
>independent of whatever operating system is present on the system drive..
>
>DOS was/is an operating system in it's own right, not a screen appearance..
>if my memory serves me correctly, it was originally QDOS (Quick Dirty
>Operating System), later changed to DOS (Disk Operating System)
>
>Microsoft Windows NT, 2000, and XP are not GUI (Graphical User Interface)
>shells running on a DOS (DOS 7) base as per Microsoft Windows 9x/ME..
>
>Some of the old DOS commands are available in Command Prompt, but that does
>not mean that DOS, the operating system, exists in XP.. what it means is
>that some of the old, familiar DOS commands will still do something within
>XP..
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