Eudora / MSGTAG Problem
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From: Fruit2O on 8 Mar 2007 13:00 OK, I'll try again to explain my problem. Before, I inadvertently left out the MSGTAG component. In Eudora, I have four personalities: 1. <Dominant> Cox Cable 2. Dominant2 Cox Cable 3. Onysko.com My own domain 4. Jason Worcester Charter.net In Eudora Personalities, I have each of the above four Properties filled out as they should with the exception of the SMTP server which, I was instructed by MSGTAG to put in 127.0.0.1 for all of them. In MSGTAG, the actual SMTP servers are listed, i.e. smtp.east.cox.net, smtp.east.cox.net, mail.onysko.com and smtp.charter.net. MSGTAG is an app which notifies me when an email is opened. In Eudora>Tools>Options>Sending Mail, I use an smtp server as 127.0.0.1 and a Relay Personality as None. When I am home, I use Cox Cable and all Personalities work fine (outgoing and incoming). All are POP accounts. When I am at my son's house, he uses Charter.net and, no matter what I've tried, I cannot send mail out. The error message says it cannot communicate with Cox Cable - even though I think I'm sending through Charter.net. Even if I shut down MSGTAG and restore the real SMTP server name in the Eudora Personality, it still is trying to communicate with the Cox SMTP server. I don't understand this. If anyone needs more information, please let me know. I will only be at my son's house today (Thursday) and tomorrow for this week. Thank you for bearing with me........ PS: I have contacted MSGTAG for support but have not yet received a solution.
From: Ajo Wissink on 9 Mar 2007 10:46 On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:00:55 -0500, Fruit2O <jz137xww(a)cox.net> wrote: >OK, I'll try again to explain my problem. Before, I inadvertently left >out the MSGTAG component. Also, look at this thread in the Eudora forum: How to disable msgtag from calling home http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showthread.php?t=10749 -- Ajo Wissink -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
From: Fruit2O on 9 Mar 2007 14:03 On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:16:19 GMT, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: >On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:00:55 -0500, Fruit2O <jz137xww(a)cox.net> declaimed >the following in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows: > >> >> In Eudora Personalities, I have each of the above four Properties >> filled out as they should with the exception of the SMTP server which, >> I was instructed by MSGTAG to put in 127.0.0.1 for all of them. >> >> In MSGTAG, the actual SMTP servers are listed, i.e. smtp.east.cox.net, >> smtp.east.cox.net, mail.onysko.com and smtp.charter.net. >> >> MSGTAG is an app which notifies me when an email is opened. >> > Opened by what? From what I can tell, the best it could do is inform >you when a mail is /sent/ as it appears to be configured as an SMTP >proxy. In order to tell when a recipient has opened a mail they >received, something would have to activate (probably relies on active >HTML code in that "footer" which sends a notification to MSGTAG's >service telling it to send you an email notice -- if so, I doubt you'd >get anything from any mail sent to me; I not only have Eudora set not to >allow active content and don't use "M$ viewer" option, but I have my >firewall setting so tight it's likely that would catch a back-door >request). > >> In Eudora>Tools>Options>Sending Mail, I use an smtp server as 127.0.0.1 >> and a Relay Personality as None. When I am home, I use Cox Cable and >> all Personalities work fine (outgoing and incoming). All are POP >> accounts. >> > POP is retrieve protocol, it is separate from SMTP. You have >currently told Eudora that -- no matter what the personality has as the >"from address" -- all mail is sent to the SMTP server running on >127.0.0.1 (localhost). That server is your MSGTAG program. How MSGTAG >sends mail out from you machine is not under Eudora's control. > >> When I am at my son's house, he uses Charter.net and, no matter what >> I've tried, I cannot send mail out. The error message says it cannot >> communicate with Cox Cable - even though I think I'm sending through >> Charter.net. Even if I shut down MSGTAG and restore the real SMTP >> server name in the Eudora Personality, it still is trying to >> communicate with the Cox SMTP server. I don't understand this. I appreciate all the time you've taken to get me going - even though you don't agree with using MSGTAG (I have my reasons to use it). However, see below: I followed your instructions and it still doesn't work. This is very frustrating as I really want to use Eudora at my son's house. >> > Step one: Shut down MSGTAG Done. > Step two: Put the Charter.net SMTP server into the SMTP server >field of the "Jason Worcester" personality Done: smtp.charter.net > Step three: Define the "Jason Worcester" personality as "relay >personality" in the Tools/Options... Done (although I don't understand what a relay personality is). > Step four: Modify the other three personalities (I'm not sure why >you have a "Dominant2" created) to "Use relay personality" Done. Dominant2 is just another personality I use for special recipients. > > That /should/ get you outgoing mail when connected to Charter.net. Didn't work. Error message says 'could not connect to smtp.charter.net - connection refused - Error 10061 I checked all spelling. Also, I used <Dominant> and Jason Worcester in the drop down list in the 'From' field. > > When back at home, define <Dominant> to be the relay personality, >remove "Use relay" from the Cox personalities, and set it on the "Jason >Worcester" personality. > > > >{Based on readings at the MSGTAG FAQ: > Sent mail gets a footer; probably, as mentioned above, a bit of >active HTML -- like, say, > ><img src="http://www.msgtag.com/notification?id=some_serial_number"> > >and MSGTAG sends "some_serial_number" to their notification database. > > It then sends the modified message via whatever IT has been told is >the server to use. > > Then, when some leaky mail client opens this infected message (yes, >I consider embedding active content in email in the same light as >embedding a virus -- this is one of the ways viruses can get into a >system), that URL with the serial number is received by their >notification database; it could return anything to the client program >(probably a blank image, or a graphic of the "this message was tagged" >stuff); their notification database uses the serial number to send you >an email stating the message was opened -- or, perhaps, the program >"logs on" to their server, so the notification goes via private port >direct to the program.} > > Also from that FAQ: > >The SMTP server for each mail account should be the same as the SMTP >server it was using before you installed MSGTAG. Please consult your >Internet Service Provider (ISP) if you don't know the name of your SMTP I didn't know that - but my smtp server for Cox is smtp.east.cox.net (of thst, I'm sure). >server. > > Note though, that all the prior traffic (before you mentioned >MSGTAG) has been telling you that you have to tell the personalities to >use a DIFFERENT (the relay) server when using a different ISP >connection. > > If I understand this FAQ -- everytime you change ISP, you are going >to have to hand edit the MSGTAG configuration (and can probably leave >the Eudora personalities alone -- since, in effect, you are already >relaying via MSGTAG and IT is responsible now for the outgoing >connection).
From: Fruit2O on 10 Mar 2007 15:53 "Dennis Lee Bieber" <wlfraed(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:WLsIh.125855$_73.50754(a)newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:03:03 -0500, Fruit2O <jz137xww(a)cox.net> declaimed > the following in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows: > >> >> When I am at my son's house, he uses Charter.net and, no matter what >> >> I've tried, I cannot send mail out. The error message says it cannot > > So a last gasp... What parameters does /his/ software show for his > outgoing email account. User name, Server Name, SSL?, alternate port, > authentication? Username: jronysko Server name: smtp.charter.net SSL: don't see this in the properties. Outgoing port is 25 >> Done (although I don't understand what a relay personality is). >> > The relay personality is the specification of what will be used to > connect to the SMTP server... SMTP protocol doesn't care about the name > in the From: (or even in To:/CC:/BCC:) field -- those are "inside the > envelope. When you send mail, and connect to an SMTP server, you have to > handshake a sequence that looks like: > > MAIL FROM: sender > RCPT TO: first destination > RCPT TO: second destination > ... > RCPT TO: last destination > DATA > > From: who cares > To: anything > CC: anywhere > Date: whatever > Subject: something > > Welcome to my spam message... > > . > > (the . on a line by itself is the end of message) > > In the remote situation, the server has to be that of the relay > personality. The "From:" name can be any address -- Eudora doesn't do > this faking, however. > > >> Didn't work. Error message says 'could not connect to smtp.charter.net >> - connection refused - Error 10061 >> > > WSAECONNREFUSED > (10061) > Connection refused. > No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused > it. This usually results from trying to connect to a service that is > inactive on the foreign host - i.e. one with no server application > running. > > I'd suspect either that you don't have the correct server listed for > use, or you need to use a different port for security reasons. > > If you'd made the initial connection to the server, and were dropped > by it after sending the "MAIL FROM" line, you'd probably see > > WSAECONNRESET > (10054) > Connection reset by peer. > A existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host. This > normally results if the peer application on the remote host is suddenly > stopped, the host is rebooted, or the remote host used a "hard close" > (see setsockopt for more information on the SO_LINGER option on the > remote socket.) This error may also result if a connection was broken > due to "keep-alive" activity detecting a failure while one or more > operations are in progress. Operations that were in progress fail with > WSAENETRESET. Subsequent operations fail with WSAECONNRESET. > > > > > Do you have the "logging" control pane in Eudora options? If not, > find the esoteric plug-in and copy it up one level. Am at my son's house right now (Sunday afternoon) and don't have my PC with me (Had a problem this morning and it wouldn't completely boot. After partially booting, the screen went blank). So, I'm currently running a disk check while I'm away ('til later tonight). Don't know if I have the "logging" control pane in Eudora (using version 7.2). What is an esoteric plug-in and what do you mean by copying it up one level? Will do all this as soon as I understand and am able to get my machine to boot. Won't be able to try this at my son's house until next Wed, Thur or Fri. > > Set the logging panel to log everything. Try a send operation. > Shutdown Eudora, and examine the log file. Unfortunately, Earthlink > seems to have lost its SMTP servers just now or I'd include a log sample > -- I'm getting a Time-Out trying to reach them... traceroute gets to it, > but then time-out... > > ... Ah, found one -- changing from the old netcom server (which routes > to an old mindspring server) I managed to telnet to an earthlink named > SMTP server... Here's a test message -- the bestiaria address (I've > twiddled the names to prevent overt harvesting) has the SMTP defined as > "smtp.bestiaria.com", but is using the "relay" personality (my dominant > account - earthlink based). > > > MAIN 16:7.53 Preparing messages to Send: 1 > MAIN 16:7.53 RSET > MAIN 16:7.53 MAIL FROM:<wu...ed(a)bestiaria.com> > MAIN 16:7.53 RCPT TO:<wl...ed(a)ix.netcom.com> > MAIN 16:7.53 DATA > MAIN 16:7.53 Test message > MAIN 16:7.53 Preparing messages to Send: 0 > 884 16:7.53 Open 209.86.93.207:25 > 884 64:7.53 Rcvd: "220-pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net ESMTP Exim 3.36 > #1 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 01:16:53 -0500\r\n" > 884 64:7.53 Rcvd: "220-NO UCE. EarthLink does not authorize the use of > its computers or network\r\n" > 884 64:7.53 Rcvd: "220 equipment to deliver, accept, transmit, or > distribute unsolicited e-mail.\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "EHLO WolfPack.ix.netcom.com\r\n" > 884 64:7.53 Rcvd: "250-pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net Hello > user-11faao1.dsl.mindspring.com [66.245.43.1]\r\n" > 884 64:7.53 Rcvd: "250-SIZE 14680064\r\n" > 884 64:7.53 Rcvd: "250-PIPELINING\r\n" > 884 64:7.53 Rcvd: "250 HELP\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "RSET\r\n" > 884 64:7.53 Rcvd: "250 Reset OK\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "MAIL FROM:<wu...ed(a)bestiaria.com>\r\n" > 884 64:7.53 Rcvd: "250 <wu...ed(a)bestiaria.com> is syntactically > correct\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "RCPT TO:<wl...ed(a)ix.netcom.com>\r\n" > 884 64:7.53 Rcvd: "250 <wl...ed(a)ix.netcom.com> is syntactically > correct\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "DATA\r\n" > 884 64:7.53 Rcvd: "354 Enter message, ending with "." on a line by > itself\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "Message-Id: > <6.2.3.4.2.20070309215953.03984f08(a)popd.ix.netcom.com>\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version > 6.2.3.4\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:00:57 -0800\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "To: wl...ed(a)ix.netcom.com\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "From: Dennis Lee Bieber <wu...ed(a)bestiaria.com>\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "Subject: Test message\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "Mime-Version: 1.0\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "\tShort message to check on relay logging.\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: "\r\n" > 884 32:7.53 Sent: ".\r\n" > 884 64:7.54 Rcvd: "250 OK id=1HPusw-0003sX-00\r\n" > 884 32:7.54 Sent: "QUIT\r\n" > 884 64:7.54 Rcvd: "221 pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net closing > connection\r\n" > MAIN 16:7.54 Filtering Sent Messages > MAIN 16:7.54 wl...ed(a)ix.netcom.com, 3/9/2007 10:00 PM, Test message > MAIN 1024:7.54 Filter "From:wu...ed" matches "Test message" > MAIN 128:7.54 Leeway 10, SentMail: MBX 1173332769, TOC 1173332769 > MAIN 128:7.54 SentMail .mbx size: MBX 390633, TOC 390634 > > > Try enabling the logging, sending one short message, and then > examine the log for any information about what WAS sent in the handshake > -- though with the error you are getting, I don't think you are even > finding a server. > -- > Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber KD6MOG Are you a ham operator? I used to be WN2ELI > wlfraed(a)ix.netcom.com wulfraed(a)bestiaria.com > HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/ > (Bestiaria Support Staff: web-asst(a)bestiaria.com) > HTTP://www.bestiaria.com/
From: Ajo Wissink on 10 Mar 2007 17:35
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:53:17 -0500, "Fruit2O" <rmo555(a)cox.net> wrote: >Am at my son's house right now (Sunday afternoon) Time traveler? -- Ajo Wissink -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |