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From: Paul M Foster on 1 Oct 2010 12:04 On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 10:23:31AM -0400, tedd wrote: > Hi gang: > > What do you people think of the .NET framework? > > Please provide your thoughts as to cost, maintenance, benefit, and > whatever else you think important. I'll be politically incorrect and say that it's evil. Microsoft is a well-documented monopolist corporation which typically either steals or buys most of the "original" technologies it issues. (I just saw a video where a guy bemoaned all the advertising Microsoft did for Windows 7. Many, many of the "amazing" features of Window 7 have existed for years in Linux and MacOS. And as far as I know, they still don't have what Linuxers would call desktops and MacOS would call workspaces or spaces.) It's also a *corporation*, which means hitching your wagon to them is a liability. Just ask users of PageMaker, MySQL, OpenOffice, etc. PageMaker languishes in Adobe's hands now. MySQL users (and its original developer) are still waiting for the next shoe to drop from Oracle. Major Open Office developers have now forked OOo, because of whatever Oracle is doing/going to do with the programs. As an example, I recently went on an interview with my old boss, who, when I worked for him, did FoxPro development on a widely used accounting package. That accounting package was bought by a couple of corporations in the last few years, and now languishes. Further, Microsoft recently announced the "end of life" for FoxPro, the language it was written in. Goodbye to a whole industry of users and developers who based their business on a language and software owned by corporations who simply have no time for them any more. My old boss spent months searching for a comparable and comparably-priced accounting package to take up the slack in his business. To .NET specifically, the framework was originally built on Java 1.4, according to an acquaintance who knows much more about Microsoft internally than I do. After a dispute with Sun over co-development of Java, Microsoft went "not invented here" and created its own version of the platform. ..Net is heavy and expensive, as detailed elsewhere. I realize there are often economic issues involved, but let me reiterate that I strongly advocate against using any language owned by a corporation (like C#). I feel the same way about storing documents in ..doc format. We all know the version-to-version incompatibilities with ..doc format. But Microsoft can do anything they like with it; it belongs to them. Paul -- Paul M. Foster
From: Floyd Resler on 1 Oct 2010 12:13 On Oct 1, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Paul M Foster wrote: > I'll be politically incorrect and say that it's evil. It's funny you should say that because years ago I did a short video called "PHP Commando". PHP Commando was battling the evil forces of Dr. Dot Net and his sidekick, Macro Mae. Leave it to me to do a parody of a parody! Take care, Floyd
From: Per Jessen on 1 Oct 2010 14:21 Peter Lind wrote: > C# has by now exceeded Java by quite a bit -=20 I've been away from the Java "scene" since 2002 (when I worked for BEA deploying J2EE on Linux/390), but assuming you're talking about "deployed lines of code" or some other real-life measurement, I find it hard to believe that C# should have exceeded Java.=20 > and is, unlike Java, very actively maintained and has fairly frequent= > releases with lots of new functionality (4.0 was released this year > and has functionality that definitely makes me consider taking it on)= .. Almost every newer programming language in the world has gone further than Fortran, C, Cobol and PL/I, but they're all very much alive and kicking. And will each individually probably be able to muster more "deployed lines of code" than any other language.=20 --=20 Per Jessen, Z=C3=BCrich (12.1=C2=B0C)
From: Nathan Rixham on 1 Oct 2010 18:42 tedd wrote: > Hi gang: > > What do you people think of the .NET framework? > > Please provide your thoughts as to cost, maintenance, benefit, and > whatever else you think important. ..NET is loaded up with patents and pretty much Microsoft only, however that said it is rather good. Previous versions of C# (1/2) are standardized under ECMA-Script 334 and 335 which covers a lot of .NET however doesn't include asp.net, ado.net and windows forms - thus a nice open source implementation and platform is quite common now, namely Mono, this is .net compatible and has good support/development and has been used for everything from the unity game engine through to sims 3. Might be worth having a quick look at DotGNU and portable.net (as well as mod_mono for apache http - which supports as.net pages etc). Might be worth noting that Stallman (as in Richard Stallman from FSF) doesn't recommend using it because he's thinks MS will come with the patent trolls soon, however microsoft has effectively tied themselves in to a patent non assert ("community promise") which would prevent this. Also worth having a look at "M" for something different/interesting/from microsoft, and also OData which is a nice RESTful protocol. Best, Nathan
From: Peter Lind on 2 Oct 2010 02:46
On 1 October 2010 20:21, Per Jessen <per(a)computer.org> wrote: > Peter Lind wrote: > >> C# has by now exceeded Java by quite a bit - > > I've been away from the Java "scene" since 2002 (when I worked for BEA > deploying J2EE on Linux/390), but assuming you're talking > about "deployed lines of code" or some other real-life measurement, I > find it hard to believe that C# should have exceeded Java. Language functionality. I'd much rather use C# than Java as I can do more in C# and easier than with Java. For instance, C# 4 has " support for late binding to dynamic types". Does Java have an equivalent? Is it planned? Regards Peter -- <hype> WWW: http://plphp.dk / http://plind.dk LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/plind BeWelcome/Couchsurfing: Fake51 Twitter: http://twitter.com/kafe15 </hype> |