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From: LD55ZRA on 18 Mar 2010 23:51 FP should remain on your machine and continue to run as before. The fact that M$ has replaced it with something "better" should not stop you from not using it. It is human nature to move on to new things in life so you may want to try EW3 which you can try for 60 days for free. hth avimia wrote: >Hello experts, > >Just a general question about FrontPage. Is it "going away" and being >completely replaced with Microsoft Office SharePoint Designer 2007 and >Microsoft Expression Web? > >We have a number of folks who do some minor work on pages, though they are >not web dev. So, their concern of course, is having to move to a whole new >program to do this. > >Any ideas on what we need to prepare them for? > >Thanks > >
From: Helpful person on 19 Mar 2010 10:39 On Mar 18, 7:52 pm, "Tina Clarke" <TinaCla...(a)any-expression.com> wrote: > "avimia" <avi...(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:E8572F46-BA89-4283-9DFB-C51A7595CA5A(a)microsoft.com... > > Yep its already 'gone away' .... we are on expression web 3.0 now and its > the successor to frontpage. > > SharePoint designer is .. well I think sp 10 is in beta not sure but 07 is > free. > > If all your users are doing is changing some text .. you don't need to move > them to a new prog...in fact you could even use a cms like contentseed.com > for that > > what is in question is your host supporting fpse (frontpage server > extensions) if you host is going to do away with them soon or in the future > and your site has to use them .. then suggest you move away from using the > bots... > > contrary to some other users opinion ... frontpage is not user friendly and > never was .. my flustration over the years has always been to do with the > bots breaking down in one form or another (we all know the ways they can do > so) .. which led me to looking at what else I could do ... first came fp > includes.... over shared borders and nav bots .... includes are still in use > (the only one and a special case) in ew which work or without fpse .... > since navigation is the key a site ... the rest followed pretty easily and > because I moved up each version when I got to fp03... it became easy to > learn css ... along with using topstyle lite .... but then ew comes out and > you can do everything in it .... i wish i had had it when i was a newbie > with frontpage express and wanted to do more ... because ew has error > reporting .... its much easier to keep an eye on errors too. > > So are you using this on an intranet? .. if so then you don't need to bother > doing anything if not then you need to look at what you are using...with > regards to the fpse and what bots you are using. > > the best time to change is always right now before the site gets any bigger > ... > > its much easier when you say what version you are using and the link to your > site .. we can give better advice then > > So take a look at those needs and balance it against training and new sw. > > don't forget you can upgrade if you already have fp (or some other products) > right now is a good time to do it .. in the usa there is a deal on at the ms > store for 40% off but thats for the whole expressino web studio suite > however. > > - > Upgrade to Expression Web 3.0http://www.microsoft.com/expression/products/Upgrade.aspx > > Trial of Expression Web 3.0http://www.microsoft.com/expression/try-it/Default.aspx?filter=web3 > > Overview demos and starter kitshttp://www.microsoft.com/expression/products/Web_Overview.aspx#tabs-3 > > hth Tina > > Migrating from FrontPage to Expression Web Ebook v2.0 > New version includes help for EW 3.0 > Find out how to transition from fp to ew with easehttp://www.frontpage-to-expression.com/ebook.html Great to here words of sanity from someone who knows FrontPage really well. I got was forced to give up on the program when my web host stopped supporting it. Best thing I ever did. (As you say , now is the right time.) For me it was fairly easy as I had already avoided using too many proprietary functions after discovering that some only worked with IE. In addition my site is fairly simple. However, I'm curious. How good is Expression Web? Does it produce reasonably compliant and compact code? www.richardfisher.com
From: Tina Clarke on 30 Mar 2010 23:22 Great to here words of sanity from someone who knows FrontPage really well. I got was forced to give up on the program when my web host stopped supporting it. Best thing I ever did. (As you say , now is the right time.) For me it was fairly easy as I had already avoided using too many proprietary functions after discovering that some only worked with IE. In addition my site is fairly simple. However, I'm curious. How good is Expression Web? Does it produce reasonably compliant and compact code? www.richardfisher.com Yes AND it helps you figure out where you went wrong too, the css editor is very good and it has other things that I don't really use but others do. Plus it has SuperPreview It also comes with Expression Encoder and Expression Design btw if you upgrade to Expression Web 3.0 NOW, or indeed if you already own expression web 3.0 you will be able to upgrade FREE to expression web 4.0 when it becomes available. http://www.expression-web.net/expression-web-4-secrets-revealed/ Ditto for Expression Web Studio too. The great thing is ew 3.0 has a 60 day trial so you can play around with it. Suggest getting my free Setting up Expression Web Ebook http://any-expression.com/expression-web/ebooks/setting-up-expression-web-ebook.htm get some free site templates to see what standards compliant templates look like http://www.frontpage-to-expression.com/site-templates/ watch some free getting started videos for expression web http://by-expression.com/media/g/tutorials/default.aspx EW3.0 Tutorials Install 2 Publish+ Ebook http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ew-tutorials-ebook.html Free DWT Ebook http://any-expression.com/expression-web/ebooks/expression-web-dwt-ebook.htm SuperPreview with starter kit tutorial http://any-expression.com/expression-web/v3-tutorials/superpreview.html hope this helps Tina Expression Web EASTER GIVEAWAY http://www.frontpage-to-expression.com/expression-web-giveaway.html Prizes: EW 3.0 x1, Migrating from FronPage to Expression Web Ebook x2, EW Tips Ebooks x3 Special Prize: SEO Toolbar for any version. Runs: 12th March - 30th April
From: LD55ZRA on 30 Mar 2010 23:37 Helpful person wrote: > > Great to here words of sanity from someone who knows FrontPage really > well. I got was forced to give up on the program when my web host > stopped supporting it. Best thing I ever did. (As you say , now is > the right time.) For me it was fairly easy as I had already avoided > using too many proprietary functions after discovering that some only > worked with IE. In addition my site is fairly simple. > > However, I'm curious. How good is Expression Web? Does it produce > reasonably compliant and compact code? > Expression Web2 was fantastic and I still use it. You may want to try Sharepoint Designer 2007 that was supposed to replace FP 2003: <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=baa3ad86-bfc1-4bd4-9812-d9e710d44f42> EW3 is for people who are serious about web design and Standards Compliance and most web hosts will have to support it. Nobody should be without it!. However the learning curve is pretty steep! hth
From: Helpful person on 31 Mar 2010 13:13
On Mar 30, 8:22 pm, "Tina Clarke" <TinaCla...(a)any-expression.com> wrote: > Great to here words of sanity from someone who knows FrontPage really > well. I got was forced to give up on the program when my web host > stopped supporting it. Best thing I ever did. (As you say , now is > the right time.) For me it was fairly easy as I had already avoided > using too many proprietary functions after discovering that some only > worked with IE. In addition my site is fairly simple. > > However, I'm curious. How good is Expression Web? Does it produce > reasonably compliant and compact code? > > www.richardfisher.com > > Yes AND it helps you figure out where you went wrong too, the css editor is > very good and it has other things that I don't really use but others do. > Plus it has SuperPreview > It also comes with Expression Encoder and Expression Design > > btw if you upgrade to Expression Web 3.0 NOW, or indeed if you already own > expression web 3.0 you will be able to upgrade FREE to expression web 4.0 > when it becomes available.http://www.expression-web.net/expression-web-4-secrets-revealed/ > > Ditto for Expression Web Studio too. > > The great thing is ew 3.0 has a 60 day trial so you can play around with it. > > Suggest getting my free Setting up Expression Web Ebookhttp://any-expression.com/expression-web/ebooks/setting-up-expression... > > get some free site templates to see what standards compliant templates look > likehttp://www.frontpage-to-expression.com/site-templates/ > > watch some free getting started videos for expression webhttp://by-expression.com/media/g/tutorials/default.aspx > > EW3.0 Tutorials Install 2 Publish+ Ebookhttp://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ew-tutorials-ebook.html > > Free DWT Ebookhttp://any-expression.com/expression-web/ebooks/expression-web-dwt-eb... > > SuperPreview with starter kit tutorialhttp://any-expression.com/expression-web/v3-tutorials/superpreview.html > > hope this helps > > Tina > Expression Web EASTER GIVEAWAYhttp://www.frontpage-to-expression.com/expression-web-giveaway.html > Prizes: EW 3.0 x1, Migrating from FronPage to Expression Web Ebook x2, EW > Tips Ebooks x3 > Special Prize: SEO Toolbar for any version. Runs: 12th March - 30th April I'm, not a web designer but created my site for my business. Although I am most interested in web design It will be difficult to find much time to examine the program. However I'll try to make time, especially as my daughter is just beginning a web design course at high school. Thanks for all the references. www.richardfisher.com |