Hover buttons not loading quickly & Java Security Warning
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From: John Blaustein on 6 Feb 2010 12:04 Hi, I am pulling my hair out over this one! I'll be most grateful for any help. Here is the beginning of my new site: http://www.johnblaustein.com/web3/ You will notice that when the splash page transitions to the home.html page, the link images do not load immediately. I used FP2003's hover buttons for the links. The reason I want to use images instead of text for the links is so that the size of the links won't change if the user adjusts those browser settings. Can someone tell me why the buttons are loading so slowly? I suspect it is because the browser is trying to load the Flash before loading the buttons. Is there a way to get the buttons to load first? I would not mind the image buttons loading somewhat slowly if I could get the background behind the buttons to match the page color instead of showing a white or black box (which I what I've been seeing). I asked as friend to look at the page and he reported that he gets a Java Security Warning pop-up that says: fphover - The application requires an earlier version of Java. Do you want to continue?" I do not get this message in either IE or Firefox on two XP Home PCs. I am not sure which OS my friend is using when he got the error message. On a related subject: I would prefer to use text links instead of images, but the only way I have found to control font size is by specifying the size in pixels rather than points or generic sizes. But I tried specifying the size in pixels and the sizing still does not remain constant, particularly when viewed on a Mac. (I'm on XP.) The pixel sizing is the best, but still not perfect. Am I missing something? Thanks for any help! John
From: Ronx on 6 Feb 2010 12:52 Hover buttons will never load on my PC, and the same applies to many other's. Java applets are one of the slowest loading media to hit a website, and many users (perhaps most) disable Java for performance and/or security reasons. Looking at the size of the button placeholders ( I will never see the actual images), I would definitely need to increase the text size to read the page links - they are much too small to be readable. Best to use a more conventional CSS image rollover with a text link: In the head of the page: <style type="text/css"> #nav a {background: yellow url(images/linkbackground.gif) no-repeat; color:blue;} #nav a:hover {background: blue url(images/linkbckhover.gif) no repeat; color:yellow;} </style> and in the body of the page: <div id="nav"> <a href="page.htm">link text</a> more buttons </div> linkbackground.gif and linkbckhover.gif should both contrast with the text colour, and should be identical in size. As far as controlling font sizes is concerned - give up now. This is the web, not print, and font sizes can only be suggested, not controlled. The same applies to font colours, and font families. Every browser can be set to use the users preferred sizes, colours and fonts - changing the size is easy (two or three mouse clicks, or two keys on the keyboard) in FireFox, Opera, Chrome, Safari ... on Windows, PC, and MAC, and using pts or pixels only adds a few clicks for Internet Explorer. People will adjust text sizes so that they can see - if they can't see, they go elsewhere. -- Ron Symonds Microsoft MVP (Expression Web) http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread. "John Blaustein" <JohnBlaustein(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:675C09BA-6940-4C25-B0ED-C36250B356FA(a)microsoft.com... > Hi, > > I am pulling my hair out over this one! I'll be most grateful for any > help. > > Here is the beginning of my new site: > http://www.johnblaustein.com/web3/ > > You will notice that when the splash page transitions to the home.html > page, > the link images do not load immediately. I used FP2003's hover buttons > for > the links. The reason I want to use images instead of text for the links > is > so that the size of the links won't change if the user adjusts those > browser > settings. > > Can someone tell me why the buttons are loading so slowly? I suspect it > is > because the browser is trying to load the Flash before loading the > buttons. > Is there a way to get the buttons to load first? > > I would not mind the image buttons loading somewhat slowly if I could get > the background behind the buttons to match the page color instead of > showing > a white or black box (which I what I've been seeing). > > I asked as friend to look at the page and he reported that he gets a Java > Security Warning pop-up that says: fphover - The application requires an > earlier version of Java. Do you want to continue?" I do not get this > message in either IE or Firefox on two XP Home PCs. I am not sure which > OS > my friend is using when he got the error message. > > On a related subject: I would prefer to use text links instead of images, > but the only way I have found to control font size is by specifying the > size > in pixels rather than points or generic sizes. But I tried specifying the > size in pixels and the sizing still does not remain constant, particularly > when viewed on a Mac. (I'm on XP.) The pixel sizing is the best, but > still > not perfect. Am I missing something? > > Thanks for any help! > > John >
From: John Blaustein on 6 Feb 2010 15:15 Ron, Thank you for your quick reply. I will get rid of the Java hover buttons. I used those because FP does them semi-automatically and I don't know how to write CSS code. I may try to use the code you included but I'm not quite clear how to do that. If I strike out, I will skip the hover effect and just use plain links for now. I think it is time for me to tackle Expression Web or Dreamweaver so that the little web work I do is at least done to current standards. Regards, John "Ronx" wrote: > Hover buttons will never load on my PC, and the same applies to many > other's. > Java applets are one of the slowest loading media to hit a website, and many > users (perhaps most) disable Java for performance and/or security reasons. > Looking at the size of the button placeholders ( I will never see the actual > images), I would definitely need to increase the text size to read the page > links - they are much too small to be readable. > > Best to use a more conventional CSS image rollover with a text link: > > In the head of the page: > > <style type="text/css"> > #nav a {background: yellow url(images/linkbackground.gif) no-repeat; > color:blue;} > #nav a:hover {background: blue url(images/linkbckhover.gif) no repeat; > color:yellow;} > </style> > > and in the body of the page: > > <div id="nav"> > <a href="page.htm">link text</a> > more buttons > </div> > > linkbackground.gif and linkbckhover.gif should both contrast with the text > colour, and should be identical in size. > > > As far as controlling font sizes is concerned - give up now. This is the > web, not print, and font sizes can only be suggested, not controlled. The > same applies to font colours, and font families. Every browser can be set > to use the users preferred sizes, colours and fonts - changing the size is > easy (two or three mouse clicks, or two keys on the keyboard) in FireFox, > Opera, Chrome, Safari ... on Windows, PC, and MAC, and using pts or pixels > only adds a few clicks for Internet Explorer. > People will adjust text sizes so that they can see - if they can't see, they > go elsewhere. > -- > Ron Symonds > Microsoft MVP (Expression Web) > http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp > > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread. > > > > "John Blaustein" <JohnBlaustein(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:675C09BA-6940-4C25-B0ED-C36250B356FA(a)microsoft.com... > > Hi, > > > > I am pulling my hair out over this one! I'll be most grateful for any > > help. > > > > Here is the beginning of my new site: > > http://www.johnblaustein.com/web3/ > > > > You will notice that when the splash page transitions to the home.html > > page, > > the link images do not load immediately. I used FP2003's hover buttons > > for > > the links. The reason I want to use images instead of text for the links > > is > > so that the size of the links won't change if the user adjusts those > > browser > > settings. > > > > Can someone tell me why the buttons are loading so slowly? I suspect it > > is > > because the browser is trying to load the Flash before loading the > > buttons. > > Is there a way to get the buttons to load first? > > > > I would not mind the image buttons loading somewhat slowly if I could get > > the background behind the buttons to match the page color instead of > > showing > > a white or black box (which I what I've been seeing). > > > > I asked as friend to look at the page and he reported that he gets a Java > > Security Warning pop-up that says: fphover - The application requires an > > earlier version of Java. Do you want to continue?" I do not get this > > message in either IE or Firefox on two XP Home PCs. I am not sure which > > OS > > my friend is using when he got the error message. > > > > On a related subject: I would prefer to use text links instead of images, > > but the only way I have found to control font size is by specifying the > > size > > in pixels rather than points or generic sizes. But I tried specifying the > > size in pixels and the sizing still does not remain constant, particularly > > when viewed on a Mac. (I'm on XP.) The pixel sizing is the best, but > > still > > not perfect. Am I missing something? > > > > Thanks for any help! > > > > John > > > . >
From: Rob Giordano [MS MVP] on 7 Feb 2010 13:10 wow, nice site. you fixed it already? I don't see any java hover buttons there -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rob Giordano Microsoft MVP Expression Web "John Blaustein" <JohnBlaustein(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:675C09BA-6940-4C25-B0ED-C36250B356FA(a)microsoft.com... > Hi, > > I am pulling my hair out over this one! I'll be most grateful for any > help. > > Here is the beginning of my new site: > http://www.johnblaustein.com/web3/ > > You will notice that when the splash page transitions to the home.html > page, > the link images do not load immediately. I used FP2003's hover buttons > for > the links. The reason I want to use images instead of text for the links > is > so that the size of the links won't change if the user adjusts those > browser > settings. > > Can someone tell me why the buttons are loading so slowly? I suspect it > is > because the browser is trying to load the Flash before loading the > buttons. > Is there a way to get the buttons to load first? > > I would not mind the image buttons loading somewhat slowly if I could get > the background behind the buttons to match the page color instead of > showing > a white or black box (which I what I've been seeing). > > I asked as friend to look at the page and he reported that he gets a Java > Security Warning pop-up that says: fphover - The application requires an > earlier version of Java. Do you want to continue?" I do not get this > message in either IE or Firefox on two XP Home PCs. I am not sure which > OS > my friend is using when he got the error message. > > On a related subject: I would prefer to use text links instead of images, > but the only way I have found to control font size is by specifying the > size > in pixels rather than points or generic sizes. But I tried specifying the > size in pixels and the sizing still does not remain constant, particularly > when viewed on a Mac. (I'm on XP.) The pixel sizing is the best, but > still > not perfect. Am I missing something? > > Thanks for any help! > > John >
From: John Blaustein on 8 Feb 2010 11:12
Thanks, Ron. Yes, I fixed it right away. The site is so simple that it took only a few minutes to redo the buttons. I'd prefer the rollovers, but it worked horribly the way FP did it. Perhaps you could give me a bit of advice. I have been reading lots of posts and articles about migrating from FP to either EW or Dreamweaver. Given that you have seen my site and how simple it is, do you think that if I get EW that I will be able to use it right off the bat without much trouble? I know I'll have to learn a little about CSS, but it looks like EW does much of that with menus and dialogs. It seems that having a DOCTYPE line in my site would be a good idea, and I gather EW will do that too. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. John "Rob Giordano [MS MVP]" wrote: > wow, nice site. > you fixed it already? I don't see any java hover buttons there > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Rob Giordano > Microsoft MVP Expression Web > > > > > > > "John Blaustein" <JohnBlaustein(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:675C09BA-6940-4C25-B0ED-C36250B356FA(a)microsoft.com... > > Hi, > > > > I am pulling my hair out over this one! I'll be most grateful for any > > help. > > > > Here is the beginning of my new site: > > http://www.johnblaustein.com/web3/ > > > > You will notice that when the splash page transitions to the home.html > > page, > > the link images do not load immediately. I used FP2003's hover buttons > > for > > the links. The reason I want to use images instead of text for the links > > is > > so that the size of the links won't change if the user adjusts those > > browser > > settings. > > > > Can someone tell me why the buttons are loading so slowly? I suspect it > > is > > because the browser is trying to load the Flash before loading the > > buttons. > > Is there a way to get the buttons to load first? > > > > I would not mind the image buttons loading somewhat slowly if I could get > > the background behind the buttons to match the page color instead of > > showing > > a white or black box (which I what I've been seeing). > > > > I asked as friend to look at the page and he reported that he gets a Java > > Security Warning pop-up that says: fphover - The application requires an > > earlier version of Java. Do you want to continue?" I do not get this > > message in either IE or Firefox on two XP Home PCs. I am not sure which > > OS > > my friend is using when he got the error message. > > > > On a related subject: I would prefer to use text links instead of images, > > but the only way I have found to control font size is by specifying the > > size > > in pixels rather than points or generic sizes. But I tried specifying the > > size in pixels and the sizing still does not remain constant, particularly > > when viewed on a Mac. (I'm on XP.) The pixel sizing is the best, but > > still > > not perfect. Am I missing something? > > > > Thanks for any help! > > > > John > > > |