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From: Greegor on 13 Aug 2010 00:52
On Aug 11, 4:43 am, John Doe <j...(a)usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
> Greegor <greegor47 gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would not normally be very hard on somebody with a disability
> > but I'm also not going to placate somebody like Archie or Green
> > Xenon.
>
> > Green Xenon kept asking in various places for help to design his
> > extra special untraceable computer.
>
> What use for tracing a computer? I suppose a straightforward
> threat of physical violence might be a good reason. Then again,
> the chances of someone following up are probably very small, the
> chance of them succeeding is probably very small, and the chance
> of them getting caught even without tracing their computer is
> probably high and might involve the FBI if they crossed state
> lines.
>
> > After seeing his manifesto describing his anger at the world and
> > intent to punish the world without any consequences,
>
> Sounds like something out of a comic book.
>
> > I realized my usual conciliatory stance toward disabled people
> > would be wrong. His motive and intent were beyond sick.
>
> > I saw that ignoring Archie was not working and that Archie
> > urgently wanted to vent his anger so I challenged him.
>
> > Archie's overinflated EGO stood out as unlike my observations of
> > misfits and recluses I had befriended and worked with decades
> > ago.
>
> > Then it dawned on me that today those social misfits have their
> > own little kingdom.
>
> A kingdom that is in fact practically harmless.
>
> > I had thought that the nature of internet and usenet was causing
> > normal people to undergo a "road rage" like behavior change, and
> > I still think that is a part of the picture.  
>
> It is very much part of the picture. Some people cannot cope with
> being unable to exert physical influence over others. Some people
> thrive in it.
>
> > But I now think that a much larger portion of the bad behavior
> > is coming from social misfits with bonafide mental or brain
> > disorders like Aspergers.
>
> Imagine what Vincent Van Gogh and Edgar Allan Poe would have done
> to the world through UseNet. Mental illness is not uncommon among
> geniuses. You can guess that mental hyperactivity makes one good
> at UseNet/Internet stuff. You might also find that some social
> misfits and mentally challenged people actually do better on the
> Internet.
>
> Just be glad you are not there?
>
> > Lots of people with Aspergers or Schizophrenia, etc. can behave
> > themselves and be very much productive members of society.  I
> > have a renewed concern however with the way that usenet social
> > misfits can feed off each other and gradually drift into
> > criminal or dangerous territory.
>
> Difficult to control? Yes. Criminal? Maybe sometimes. Dangerous?
> Hardly.
>
> > AUK and their behavior reached a level of excess and had a
> > slight correction (law suit) but the group think coming from
> > mentally toxic misfits is stubborn.
>
> Was it appealed? There was a lawsuit years ago that involved one
> of the skiing groups. Apparently some little judge gagged one of
> the posters. There is no question in my mind that if anything like
> that were appealed, it would be quickly overturned.
>
> > The psychology of "playground bullies" and the dynamics of how
> > groups BADLY respond to them, ignoring or "joining in"
> > fascinates me.
>
> Bullying on the Internet is no more of a problem than bullying in
> real life. The difference is that conventional bullying does not
> work on the Internet.
>
> I do not know if and how it could be done, but what UseNet needs
> is a fixed ID for every persona, independent of Internet service
> provider. Personally, I could not care less who you are in real
> life (if you want to advertise that info, fine). All that matters
> is how you act here on UseNet. That is why nym-shifting sucks IMO.
>
> UseNet is the wisdom and folly of the world.
> --

Do you agree with John Doe's assessment Archie?
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