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From: Anonymous on 25 Jan 2010 12:45
In article <55erl59eu7qh82nria2dgrqik91q77tl7v(a)4ax.com>,
Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote:

[snip]

>So we beg for competence everywhere else, and long for the days when
>we predominately created & upgraded applications.

Ahhhhhhh, for the Oldene Dayse... when in-house Programmers could write
and debug their own bugs such as *ten* Programmers, working with a
store-bought package, cannot, today!

DD

From: Howard Brazee on 25 Jan 2010 16:54
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:45:27 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf(a)panix.com () wrote:

>Ahhhhhhh, for the Oldene Dayse... when in-house Programmers could write
>and debug their own bugs such as *ten* Programmers, working with a
>store-bought package, cannot, today!


http://www.shoeboxblog.com/?p=14400


--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
From: Pete Dashwood on 25 Jan 2010 17:51
Howard Brazee wrote:
> Anybody read today's Brewster Rockit:Space Guy?
>
>
> http://www.gocomics.com/brewsterrockit/2010/01/25/
>
> Good things companies aren't *really* like that..., right?

I get an invalid link when I click on this, Howard.

Pete
--
"I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."


From: Pete Dashwood on 25 Jan 2010 17:55
Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:08:42 -0600, Paul
> <paul-nospamatall.raulerson(a)mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Ah well, I long for the days when I could just sit and write COBOL
>> and CICS programs.
>> It was fun then. Perhaps not as well paying, but fun.
>
> One trouble is that nowadays, everything impacts everything. Despite
> OO isolation, we find that some incompetent code somewhere else either
> impacts our work now, or will with some future upgrade.
>
> We are much more vulnerable to what others do wrong.
>
> Nowadays, a much higher percentage of programmers are support
> programmers instead of applications programmers. And everything
> they do impacts programming.
>
> Companies tend to buy packages, then modify them to fit their needs.
> They usually say that their goal is to keep such modifications as
> little as possible, but there is always creep. Then the package has
> some upgrades, and programmers spend a lot of time comparing code to
> get those upgrades in without breaking the modifications.
>
> The applications programming becomes less and less part of the job,
> and making sure different components aren't stepping on others is more
> of the job.
>
> So we beg for competence everywhere else, and long for the days when
> we predominately created & upgraded applications.

Interesting observation, Howard.

I think that most programmers are suspicious of anything "not invented
here".

It seems to be the nature of the job that it appeals to control freaks :-)

Personally, I have no problem with tailoring packages or other people's code
where it makes sense to do so.

Pete.

--
"I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."


From: Tony Harding on 26 Jan 2010 03:22
On 01/25/10 10:38, Howard Brazee wrote:
> Anybody read today's Brewster Rockit:Space Guy?
>
>
> http://www.gocomics.com/brewsterrockit/2010/01/25/
>
> Good things companies aren't *really* like that..., right?

Pure Dilbert! :)


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