JSH: Authority from Google search results?
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From: JSH on 3 Dec 2009 20:15 On Nov 29, 7:28 am, JSH <jst...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 28, 8:32 pm, Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeo...(a)verizon.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > On 11/28/2009 10:18 PM, JSH wrote: > > > > Your primary point now is that a SINGLE page because it was on a site > > > that also contained pages you feel were wrong must itself be invalid, > > > when it was a page linking to videos from news organizations, and came > > > up #3, as it didn't even come up #1. The Wikipedia did. > > > Honestly, when you view Google results, do you just look at the page it > > linked to and only that page? No. You tend to click around the site, > > especially if the information is more encyclopedic in nature. In > > particular, in the context of the search, I did click through to see > > more information--if I wanted an explanation of *how* the WTC towers > > collapsed, that one page would have been rather useless and the other > > pages somewhat useful (well, they did perpetuate a rather bogus and > > inaccurate conspiracy theory, but that's beside the point). It's the > > context of the page that counts, not the page itself. > > Except that becomes a judgement call you make. > > And regardless the #1 page is still the Wikipedia which you presumably > are not attacking as a source. > > > > And maybe with one of those some individual person's definition trumps > > > what is in the dictionaries. > > > > In my case I have defined mathematical proof. > > > Anyone can define mathematical proof, but there's no evidence (or, at > > Yup. > > > best, circumstantial evidence: nothing that would hold up per se in a > > court of law) that your definition is any near the widespread use than, > > say, the constructivist school thought. > > I never said it was. > > The question is, is it BETTER? > > > > Do you have any comparable competition? > > > The USAF, which has an operating budget of approximately > > $160,000,000,000, compared to Microsoft's operating expenses of > > $ 38,000,000,000. > > The USAF? Please elaborate. > > And notice, when I say I'm competitive with Microsoft and beat them, > that is something they would presumably notice. I don't care. I want > them to come after Class Viewer and try to get their own Class Viewer > higher in search rankings. > > THAT is competition. > > Now then, what have you convinced yourself is competitive with the > USAF? Knowing that in so stating you are throwing down the gauntlet > against their programmers? I'm replying myself to note that shut-up Joshua Cranmer. It's one thing to claim "competition" it's another to actually BE in competition. I am competitive with Microsoft with my Class Viewer program by its name. I challenge them to beat me. That is a message both to the corporation and its developers. You can see the state of that competition in any search engine, not just Google. Search on: Class Viewer Just did it for this post, and I'm still #1. THAT is competition. If Joshua Cranmer dares claim competition with the USAF he can be damn sure they could have heard him, even if now he wishes to not elaborate on it. So he already threw down the gauntlet against their programmers. I'm sure he's hoping they didn't notice, or are going, who is he? But he may find that the world is far more connected than he thought, when next he gets an opportunity to find out what they think of his "competition" with them, in the United States Air Force. Our military takes competition very seriously. After all, we are the United States of America. James Harris
From: Joshua Cranmer on 3 Dec 2009 22:56 On 12/03/2009 08:15 PM, JSH wrote: > But he may find that the world is far more connected than he thought, > when next he gets an opportunity to find out what they think of his > "competition" with them, in the United States Air Force. > > Our military takes competition very seriously. After all, we are the > United States of America. If the military has half a brain among it, they'll know that a tangential program being secondary in Google search results to a major open-source email client is not a battle worth fighting. I somehow doubt they need to worry about Google search results to gain attention anyways. A smart person picks his battles, and, as idiotic and dysfunctional as the USAF leadership seems to be right now, I highly doubt they're stupid enough to waste resources on such a trifling matter. Which was my point, really; a point that you seem to clearly fail to grasp. -- Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth
From: JSH on 4 Dec 2009 20:21 On Dec 3, 7:56 pm, Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeo...(a)verizon.invalid> wrote: > On 12/03/2009 08:15 PM, JSH wrote: > > > But he may find that the world is far more connected than he thought, > > when next he gets an opportunity to find out what they think of his > > "competition" with them, in the United States Air Force. > > > Our military takes competition very seriously. After all, we are the > > United States of America. > > If the military has half a brain among it, they'll know that a > tangential program being secondary in Google search results to a major > open-source email client is not a battle worth fighting. What is your app? And what is the USAF's? That's the question I want answered, so I can do the searches and see for myself. > I somehow doubt they need to worry about Google search results to gain > attention anyways. A smart person picks his battles, and, as idiotic and > dysfunctional as the USAF leadership seems to be right now, I highly > doubt they're stupid enough to waste resources on such a trifling > matter. Which was my point, really; a point that you seem to clearly > fail to grasp. Not the leadership--the programmers. Like I doubt the CEO of Microsoft has heard of me, or cares about my Class Viewer. But somewhere in the bowels of that huge company someone works on *their* Class Viewer. So now then, what is your app, and what is the USAF's? And no, no general will care. But some programmers in the USAF may pick up that you see yourself as beating their app. It's friendly competition. Don't worry, no one will launch a fighter jet after you. James Harris
From: Joshua Cranmer on 4 Dec 2009 21:31 On 12/04/2009 08:21 PM, JSH wrote: > Not the leadership--the programmers. Like I doubt the CEO of > Microsoft has heard of me, or cares about my Class Viewer. But > somewhere in the bowels of that huge company someone works on *their* > Class Viewer. "The Windows Forms Class Viewer only ships with the .NET Framework SDK version 1.0 and 1.1." Somehow I doubt that said programmer is terribly remiss about being second. -- Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth
From: JSH on 4 Dec 2009 22:21
On Dec 4, 6:31 pm, Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeo...(a)verizon.invalid> wrote: > On 12/04/2009 08:21 PM, JSH wrote: > > > Not the leadership--the programmers. Like I doubt the CEO of > > Microsoft has heard of me, or cares about my Class Viewer. But > > somewhere in the bowels of that huge company someone works on *their* > > Class Viewer. > > "The Windows Forms Class Viewer only ships with the .NET Framework SDK > version 1.0 and 1.1." > > Somehow I doubt that said programmer is terribly remiss about being second. Wow, maybe they gave up? My Class Viewer has been around for almost 6 years now. It took over the Google search result almost immediately so it has sat there for about 5 years I guess. Other programs called Class Viewer have come and gone in that time. I'm curious to see a program take over from mine. Anyone in the world. There are competitors at times I see moving up, but none take #1, and I'm not even sure why not. Now then, what is YOUR app which you have convinced yourself is competitive with one by the USAF or do you withdraw that claim? James Harris |