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From: printer newbie! on 23 Jun 2010 10:10
On Jun 23, 3:38 pm, Arthur Entlich <e-printerh...(a)mvps.org> wrote:
> First off, it appears my spell checker got the best of me and changed
> each use of Konica to Ronica... that was not intended.
>
> You should speak to or research on line cartridge refillers.  You may be
> able to get them refilled, and some may offer or install the chip for
> you (I think they sell for about $10 each).

It would be better if I could install the chip myself, but I'll google
around and perhaps ask some vendors...

> Also, on some of the HP color lasers there is a setting you can change
> so the cartridge will continue to function until it runs out (and
> beyond).  The factory default is to have the printer warn and shut down
> when any of the toner cartridges goes low. It can then be set to
> actually reorder from HP the needed cartridges.
>
> This is supposed to be for networked printers where it is important that
> the users are notified of a near empty cartridge before they might
> remotely try to print  hundreds of a document and then find out it is
> out of cyan, or whatever.
>
> I don't have easy access to the Konica Minolta user manuals, but you
> might wish to call Minolta if you can''t find otherwise and ask if they
> have a setting to shut off the early warning system on low cartridge
> toner levels.

Thanks a lot. I just called Minolta and the support guy said that it
was "impossible" to continue printing after the chip said stop. Then
he said that he believe there was some extended warranty if I returned
my used toner cartridge to konica minolta http://cleanplanet.konicaminolta.eu.
Be he was not sure about this extended warranty. I just filled out
their questionaary, requesting a return postage paid stamp and filled
out a lot personal information, address, phone number, town, etc. I
think they log this info if I later come with a RMA-issue.

> Art
>
> If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
>    I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:
>
>        http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/

Thanks, interesting link...
From: Arthur Entlich on 26 Jun 2010 21:01

If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:

http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/

printer newbie! wrote:
> On Jun 23, 3:38 pm, Arthur Entlich <e-printerh...(a)mvps.org> wrote:
>> First off, it appears my spell checker got the best of me and changed
>> each use of Konica to Ronica... that was not intended.
>>
>> You should speak to or research on line cartridge refillers. You may be
>> able to get them refilled, and some may offer or install the chip for
>> you (I think they sell for about $10 each).
>
> It would be better if I could install the chip myself, but I'll google
> around and perhaps ask some vendors...
>

I just did a quick look... I can only find the K-M Magicolor 4650 DN, so
I don't know if that is the same as the 4600.

Here is one example of both kits and chips available. I am not
endorsing this company.

https://123refills.net/cic/eg/tonerprinter.php?printer=Konica+Minolta+magicolor+4650DN

They seem to charge an extra $5 if you buy it with the toner refill, or
$10 separately. You need a different one for each color.


>> Also, on some of the HP color lasers there is a setting you can change
>> so the cartridge will continue to function until it runs out (and
>> beyond). The factory default is to have the printer warn and shut down
>> when any of the toner cartridges goes low. It can then be set to
>> actually reorder from HP the needed cartridges.
>>
>> This is supposed to be for networked printers where it is important that
>> the users are notified of a near empty cartridge before they might
>> remotely try to print hundreds of a document and then find out it is
>> out of cyan, or whatever.
>>
>> I don't have easy access to the Konica Minolta user manuals, but you
>> might wish to call Minolta if you can''t find otherwise and ask if they
>> have a setting to shut off the early warning system on low cartridge
>> toner levels.
>
> Thanks a lot. I just called Minolta and the support guy said that it
> was "impossible" to continue printing after the chip said stop. Then
> he said that he believe there was some extended warranty if I returned
> my used toner cartridge to konica minolta http://cleanplanet.konicaminolta.eu.
> Be he was not sure about this extended warranty. I just filled out
> their questionaary, requesting a return postage paid stamp and filled
> out a lot personal information, address, phone number, town, etc. I
> think they log this info if I later come with a RMA-issue.

I would not take the word of the K-M tech support person. Speak to an
independent cartridge refiller or a service depot that handles K-M
products. They often will reveal more than the manufacturer.

These chips usually are burned out by a circuit in the printer.
Usually, the printer does not actually know the exact amount of toner
used per print, so they often use either a print count or a crude
measurement of toner use per print. Very few read the toner cartridge
optically, although some do. Also, the manufacturer intentionally
over-estimates toner usage because they don;t want you running out
before the warnings show up, both because some client would be angry if
they ran out without a warning, and also the toner is pretty cheap and
they make a lot of money on selling you new cartridges. Also, some
toner cartridges recycle the excess toner left on the drum after the
transfer process to paper after each print and that would be difficult
to know and measure accurately.

Regarding refilling: Not all toners are created equally. Some are
finer and more pure or brighter than others. Some kits may include more
or less yield. The toner cartridges included with most new printers are
starter cartridges and not full, so you can usually refill with more
than they started with.

Lastly, the average toner use from which they determine yield is based
upon 5% coverage per color. That's quite low if you are doing anything
other than small fonts and text over about 60% of the page. A color
photo or graphic can use as much as 60-70% coverage per color, since
some colors are created by mixing of the 4 primaries, so yield can
rapidly go down by up to 10 times or even more of what they claim. In
other words a cartridge rated at 2000 copies may only give you 200 if
you are printing images or graphics that cover most of a page.

Still, refilling is the way to go to save massive costs. However, do
realize that the drums are not designed to last forever, and if they are
integrated as part of the toner cartridge, as most are in color
printers, you may need to replace the whole cartridge (with a new, 3rd
party or refurbished one) after 3-5 refills.

Art




>>
>> If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
>> I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:
>>
>> http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/
>
> Thanks, interesting link...
From: Arthur Entlich on 26 Jun 2010 21:28
Just a quick PS:

I'm not sure exactly about the warranty K-M was speaking about.
Typically, what they offer is to take back your cartridges when they
read empty. Sometimes they will pay shipping, sometimes they will even
give you a coupon good for a small discount on your next cartridge
purchase (if you buy a OEM one). Personally, I would NEVER do this if
that is what they are offering you. The "real reason" behind this is
not because they are environmentally sensitive and trying to do the
right thing.

It is to keep the cartridges out of circulation by either yourself (to
refill) or to be sold to 3rd party refurbishers or refillers who then
fix them up and fill them and resell them back to you for a lot of
money. Most of the cartridge which people return to stores and the like
for which they get a pat on the back or a free package of paper, go on
to be resold to refurbishers. In some cases, the big box stores even
own the refurbishers.

When you send you cartridges back to the manufacturers, they either
destroy them (grind and melt them down, etc, to be made into something
else or new cartridges) or they refurbish them themselves and sell them
back to you as OEM cartridges at even more money than the 3rd party guys.

If you look at many toner cartridge boxes sold by the OEMs (Original
Equipment Manufacturers) you will see a statement which says: "Parts of
this cartridge may be reused or refurbished". They usually will warrant
them against defects like a "new" cartridge, but then again, so will
most 3rd party refurbishers. Oh, and by the way, you know that extra
toner still in the cartridge after it reads empty and won't print
anymore; that is usually screened and purified and put into other
cartridges and resold, so you end up buying back some of your own unused
toner!

In my opinion, the best thing is to learn how to refill your cartridges
(most are easy to do, or there are instructions offered by 3rd party
toner suppliers (some even sell kits with the necessary tools) and buy
the chips if yours has the type that burn out and prevent use afterward.

You *MAY* even find some 3rd party companies that sell resettable chips
which you can reuse over and over again, although they usually cost more.

Art

If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:

http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/

printer newbie! wrote:
> On Jun 23, 3:38 pm, Arthur Entlich <e-printerh...(a)mvps.org> wrote:
>> First off, it appears my spell checker got the best of me and changed
>> each use of Konica to Ronica... that was not intended.
>>
>> You should speak to or research on line cartridge refillers. You may be
>> able to get them refilled, and some may offer or install the chip for
>> you (I think they sell for about $10 each).
>
> It would be better if I could install the chip myself, but I'll google
> around and perhaps ask some vendors...
>
>> Also, on some of the HP color lasers there is a setting you can change
>> so the cartridge will continue to function until it runs out (and
>> beyond). The factory default is to have the printer warn and shut down
>> when any of the toner cartridges goes low. It can then be set to
>> actually reorder from HP the needed cartridges.
>>
>> This is supposed to be for networked printers where it is important that
>> the users are notified of a near empty cartridge before they might
>> remotely try to print hundreds of a document and then find out it is
>> out of cyan, or whatever.
>>
>> I don't have easy access to the Konica Minolta user manuals, but you
>> might wish to call Minolta if you can''t find otherwise and ask if they
>> have a setting to shut off the early warning system on low cartridge
>> toner levels.
>
> Thanks a lot. I just called Minolta and the support guy said that it
> was "impossible" to continue printing after the chip said stop. Then
> he said that he believe there was some extended warranty if I returned
> my used toner cartridge to konica minolta http://cleanplanet.konicaminolta.eu.
> Be he was not sure about this extended warranty. I just filled out
> their questionaary, requesting a return postage paid stamp and filled
> out a lot personal information, address, phone number, town, etc. I
> think they log this info if I later come with a RMA-issue.
>
>> Art
>>
>> If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
>> I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:
>>
>> http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/
>
> Thanks, interesting link...
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