From: Rod Pemberton on
"Evenbit" <nbaker2328(a)charter.net> wrote in message
news:eeb8298a-071b-4914-9d43-262dab24b826(a)z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> It certainly
> will not hurt Rod to gain some experience in using Anvin's SYSLINUX
> family of tools.

Other things have priority... I'm quite familiar with writing and
installing FD,HD bootloaders, but not CD's. And, the necessity to learn it
at the moment should be low given that many are in the distro game. I will
read the link you posted elsewhere eventually...

RP

From: Evenbit on
On Apr 10, 10:34 pm, Frank Kotler <fbkot...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> Evenbit wrote:
>
> ...
>
> >> There was a gizmo in... "Vector" Linux (a "cut down" Slackware), which
> >> allowed me to boot an installation disk straight from the .iso, without
> >> having to burn it to a "coaster". I *think* that's where I saw it. IIRC,
>
> > Anvin has that "covered" here:
> >http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/Boot_an_Iso_image
>
> Great info. What I had in mind was this "vinstall-iso" script:
>
> http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-5.8/install/vinstall/
>

Yes, this is a very interesting script.

> But, as I remembered, it doesn't work with an "arbitrary" .iso image.
> Once we've mounted the .iso image on a directory (I didn't know you
> could do that!),

Mounts it to a "loop device"...

> it gunzips "initrd.img" from the "isolinux" directory,
> and apparently it has to be the "right" initrd.img. Probably more info

This also gets mounted to a "loop device" and then some directories
( proc, sys, dev, etc. ) are created and "bind"ed to the loop
device??

According to wikipedia, there is an alternative to "initrd" called
"Initramfs" which allows one to skip the loop (un)mounting... just a
method to simplify the boot process, I guess.

> on hpa's site... Haven't got it workin', but I'm learning a lot...

Me too! Plenty of ground to cover....

Nathan.
From: Evenbit on
On Apr 11, 11:22 am, "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_h...(a)nohavenot.cmm>
wrote:
> "Evenbit" <nbaker2...(a)charter.net> wrote in message
>
> news:eeb8298a-071b-4914-9d43-262dab24b826(a)z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > It certainly
> > will not hurt Rod to gain some experience in using Anvin's SYSLINUX
> > family of tools.
>
> Other things have priority... I'm quite familiar with writing and
> installing FD,HD bootloaders, but not CD's. And, the necessity to learn it
> at the moment should be low given that many are in the distro game. I will
> read the link you posted elsewhere eventually...
>

You are certainly free to change your stated priority. But most of us
have long ago learned that getting from Point A to Point B is a _great
deal_ easier when you've got a STATIC Point B. :)

Just quoting a few items from your *originally stated* Point B...

"
1) (prefer) bootable CD .iso
2) (prefer) Live-CD to install
"

Nathan.
From: Frank Kotler on
Evenbit wrote:
> On Apr 11, 11:22 am, "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_h...(a)nohavenot.cmm>
> wrote:
>> "Evenbit" <nbaker2...(a)charter.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:eeb8298a-071b-4914-9d43-262dab24b826(a)z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> It certainly
>>> will not hurt Rod to gain some experience in using Anvin's SYSLINUX
>>> family of tools.
>> Other things have priority... I'm quite familiar with writing and
>> installing FD,HD bootloaders, but not CD's. And, the necessity to learn it
>> at the moment should be low given that many are in the distro game. I will
>> read the link you posted elsewhere eventually...
>>
>
> You are certainly free to change your stated priority. But most of us
> have long ago learned that getting from Point A to Point B is a _great
> deal_ easier when you've got a STATIC Point B. :)
>
> Just quoting a few items from your *originally stated* Point B...
>
> "
> 1) (prefer) bootable CD .iso
> 2) (prefer) Live-CD to install
> "


He didn't say he wanted to create his own! *I* find the idea somewhat
intriguing... I mentioned that the kernels with Slackware 12.0 were all
"huge". Looking back only as far as Slackware 11.0, I find that
"lomem.i" kernel I remembered seeing. The docs mention "as long as
you've got at least 32M, you'll be alright", but I think that's for the
"regular" kernels, and I don't see where it says just how low this
"lomem" kernel will go. Could find out...

Hmmm, 486, you say? With a P24 "overdrive" chip? Wonder if that
machine'll still boot... I forget how much memory is in it...

Rugxulo mentioned that "BlueFlops" distro. I installed that, and tried
it, at one point (it had a "buggy?" kernel). IIRC, Minix file system,
and didn't have support for much else. One nice thing it had was the
"links" browser - works off the frame-buffer device, so you don't need X
to have a graphical browser. "lynx" is pretty nice, too, once you get
used to the interface... (fast as hell, 'cause it doesn't download
graphics!)

Speaking of buggy kernels... I've gotta get back to 2.6.666 or whatever
it is and try some more things...

Best,
Frank


From: Evenbit on
On Apr 11, 9:04 pm, Frank Kotler <fbkot...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> Evenbit wrote:
> > On Apr 11, 11:22 am, "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_h...(a)nohavenot.cmm>
> > wrote:
> >> "Evenbit" <nbaker2...(a)charter.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:eeb8298a-071b-4914-9d43-262dab24b826(a)z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> It certainly
> >>> will not hurt Rod to gain some experience in using Anvin's SYSLINUX
> >>> family of tools.
> >> Other things have priority... I'm quite familiar with writing and
> >> installing FD,HD bootloaders, but not CD's. And, the necessity to learn it
> >> at the moment should be low given that many are in the distro game. I will
> >> read the link you posted elsewhere eventually...
>
> > You are certainly free to change your stated priority. But most of us
> > have long ago learned that getting from Point A to Point B is a _great
> > deal_ easier when you've got a STATIC Point B. :)
>
> > Just quoting a few items from your *originally stated* Point B...
>
> > "
> > 1) (prefer) bootable CD .iso
> > 2) (prefer) Live-CD to install
> > "
>
> He didn't say he wanted to create his own!

But, given his entire list of "wants," it almost becomes a necessity.

Luckily, like he said, "many are in the distro game," and I happen to
remember that Knoppix pretty much matches his needs. I haven't test-
driven any of the latest versions, but I know they tend to keep up-to-
date on the Kernels, build tools, and such and I've gotten it to boot
on many "constrained" Win95-era PCs.

http://www.knoppix.org/

Use to be, the alternative boot commands were like:

expert
knoppix desktop=fluxbox
knoppix 2 {for textmode only}
fb800x600 desktop=icewin

Pressing 'F2' displays the full list...

Nathan.