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From: tonyb61 on 4 Jan 2010 09:12
I know nothing about terminal server/service, but I've been asked to look at
using it to serve an app we want to use with a small number of simultaneous
users (<5).

I'm looking for some basic background info/web links that actually covers
what TS is, how it is setup, how an app is installed to the terminal server,
how licensing works for the terminal server and any apps installed on the
ts. I find the microsoft info so full of acronyms and assumptions that I
find it really unhelpful ?

So far, my understanding is that it is a service that can be installed on a
windows server, and programs can be installed on the terminal server. The
server serves up a copy of the app via a remote desktop to each user who
connects to the terminal server, and starts the app. The app we want to use
has a pool of licenses itself, but I believe you also need a cal license for
each user that uses the terminal server to access this app in addition to
the windows server cals for the connections to the server, though this is
not very clear to me ?

Tony


From: Bob Campbell on 4 Jan 2010 13:41
Hi Tony,

A good resource is a book on Windows Server 2008. It will have a chapter
just on Remote Desktop Services, formerly known as Terminal Services.

Another good resource is Wikipedia--as usual,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Desktop_Services. Be sure to read about
RemoteApp: "The end result of this is that remote applications behave
largely like local applications." The server has a little tool for creating
an MSI file for you to use to install your app (RDP) on your local
computers. Most (of my) users have no clue they're running a remote app.
Printing can be easily redirected to your local printer, via the XPS driver,
again without users knowing they're running a remote app.

Also, you can run the remote desktop connection client,
%windir%\system32\mstsc.exe, on your local computer and click the Help
button, and you can run the TS Licensing Manager on the server (look under
Administrative Tools) and view its help file. I think it tells you all you
need to know.

An app is installed on the RDS server no differently than just installing it
on the server, unless you have some old things like user ini files.

Ah, licensing. Yes, you need TS CALs, in addition to server CALs. The
licensing server can be a separate server. I assume you know you get 2 free
TS CALs.

Finally, note that there is a new remote desktop connection client in
Windows 7 that can be installed on XP SP3 and Vista.
See http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/969084.

Bob.

"tonyb61" <tonyb61(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:#d2ppfUjKHA.1652(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> I know nothing about terminal server/service, but I've been asked to look
> at using it to serve an app we want to use with a small number of
> simultaneous users (<5).
>
> I'm looking for some basic background info/web links that actually covers
> what TS is, how it is setup, how an app is installed to the terminal
> server, how licensing works for the terminal server and any apps installed
> on the ts. I find the microsoft info so full of acronyms and assumptions
> that I find it really unhelpful ?
>
> So far, my understanding is that it is a service that can be installed on
> a windows server, and programs can be installed on the terminal server.
> The server serves up a copy of the app via a remote desktop to each user
> who connects to the terminal server, and starts the app. The app we want
> to use has a pool of licenses itself, but I believe you also need a cal
> license for each user that uses the terminal server to access this app in
> addition to the windows server cals for the connections to the server,
> though this is not very clear to me ?
>
> Tony
>
From: tonyb61 on 6 Jan 2010 10:33
Thanks for the pointers. Remote app seems to fit my requirements well.
You mentioned I should have 2 free TS cals ? Are these automatically
available in the TS licensing server ? Where casn I find more info on these
?
Thanks
Tony

"Bob Campbell" <softwaretailor(a)msn.com> wrote in message
news:E3902669-4D25-49D9-9A4B-C70F44A31740(a)microsoft.com...
> Hi Tony,
>
> A good resource is a book on Windows Server 2008. It will have a chapter
> just on Remote Desktop Services, formerly known as Terminal Services.
>
> Another good resource is Wikipedia--as usual,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Desktop_Services. Be sure to read
> about RemoteApp: "The end result of this is that remote applications
> behave largely like local applications." The server has a little tool for
> creating an MSI file for you to use to install your app (RDP) on your
> local computers. Most (of my) users have no clue they're running a remote
> app. Printing can be easily redirected to your local printer, via the XPS
> driver, again without users knowing they're running a remote app.
>
> Also, you can run the remote desktop connection client,
> %windir%\system32\mstsc.exe, on your local computer and click the Help
> button, and you can run the TS Licensing Manager on the server (look under
> Administrative Tools) and view its help file. I think it tells you all you
> need to know.
>
> An app is installed on the RDS server no differently than just installing
> it on the server, unless you have some old things like user ini files.
>
> Ah, licensing. Yes, you need TS CALs, in addition to server CALs. The
> licensing server can be a separate server. I assume you know you get 2
> free TS CALs.
>
> Finally, note that there is a new remote desktop connection client in
> Windows 7 that can be installed on XP SP3 and Vista.
> See http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/969084.
>
> Bob.
>
> "tonyb61" <tonyb61(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:#d2ppfUjKHA.1652(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> I know nothing about terminal server/service, but I've been asked to look
>> at using it to serve an app we want to use with a small number of
>> simultaneous users (<5).
>>
>> I'm looking for some basic background info/web links that actually covers
>> what TS is, how it is setup, how an app is installed to the terminal
>> server, how licensing works for the terminal server and any apps
>> installed on the ts. I find the microsoft info so full of acronyms and
>> assumptions that I find it really unhelpful ?
>>
>> So far, my understanding is that it is a service that can be installed on
>> a windows server, and programs can be installed on the terminal server.
>> The server serves up a copy of the app via a remote desktop to each user
>> who connects to the terminal server, and starts the app. The app we want
>> to use has a pool of licenses itself, but I believe you also need a cal
>> license for each user that uses the terminal server to access this app in
>> addition to the windows server cals for the connections to the server,
>> though this is not very clear to me ?
>>
>> Tony
>>


From: Bob Campbell on 6 Jan 2010 12:17
Windows Server comes with the ability of 2 users to log on via remote
desktop. This has been true since Windows 3.1 I think. You don't need a
licensing server. I think it is because you want to have 2 administrators
have this ability. Also, it's like a teaser: you see how it works (as an
Admin), but if you want your users to have this ability, then you (or your
company) need to pay for it.

Also, I see there are new (January 4, 2010) free Windows 7 and Windows
Server 2008 R2 e-books available from Microsoft.
See
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Free-Windows-7-and-Windows-Server-2008-R2-E-Books-130985.shtml.

-Bob

"tonyb61" <tonyb61(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uYHMKWujKHA.1264(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for the pointers. Remote app seems to fit my requirements well.
> You mentioned I should have 2 free TS cals ? Are these automatically
> available in the TS licensing server ? Where casn I find more info on
> these ?
> Thanks
> Tony

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