From: Terje Mathisen "terje.mathisen at on
Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
> prior terminal emulation was via real 327x controller, real 327x coax
> cable, PC card that emulated 327x terminal ... file upload/download was
> emulated screen input/output ... and ran into various bottlenecks.

Bottlenecks indeed! :-)

I had written (from scratch) an implementation of "Super Kermit" (up to
64K of window size, up to 9K packets and selective retransmit) in Pascal
a year or two previously, then decided I wanted to see if I could make
it run on our mainframe, using the PC in VT100/VT220 mode via a protocol
emulator.

I modified the Pascal-VS (?) mainframe Kermit to work with large packets
so it could fill an entire screen buffer, on the PC side the receiver
had to implement a very simplified VT terminal rule set so that all
cursor and font escape sequences could be ignored.

It was an ugly hack, but it turned out to run at least as fast as a
3270PC or 3270AT with a hardware coax connection. :-)

Terje

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- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler on

Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn(a)garlic.com> writes:
> later there was the a74 (7437) ... which was much more like a real 370
> in small form factor (with several press/news articles from 1988):
> http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#4 IBM Mainframe at home
>
> some a74 changes I tried to get released (including paged mapped
> filesystem):
> http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003f.html#56 ECPS:VM DISPx instructions

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#15 Processes' memory

wiki page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC-based_IBM-compatible_mainframes

mentions both 5100 and xt/370 ... and then jumps to p/370 ... skips
over a74 all together (which was in expansion box with big thick cable
to back of PC).

the xt/370 cards were offered for at/370 ... big difference was PC/AT
hard disks were much faster ... which was big boost.

for version 2 of xt/370 rel.2 (9/84), cp88 "dos bypass" (i.e. pc/370
support software running on the 8088 side ... getting some pathlength
boost by doing some stuff directly rather than everything going thru
dos)

and my cms paged-mapped filesystem for cms (on the 370 side)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#14 Processes' memory

i shipped cms PAM (paged-mapped) filesystem internally and on xt/370 ... but
it never got out in standard cms release ... misc. past posts
mentioning paged mapped filesystem
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#mmap

minor example of PAM versus non-PAM for constrained real storage ... was
traditional filesystem had to load executable image from standard file
with simulated i/o ... several executable images were larger than
available real storage ... so it involved bringing in pieces from
emulated cms area on xt dos disk into virtual pages in 370 memory
.... and then paging those pages out to emulated paging area on (same) xt
dos disk ... so additional parts of the executable images could be read
(from xt disk) into additional virtual pages (also going back out to the
xt disk). eventually when the whole process was complete ... it would
start execution ... which tended to be in virtual pages now out in
paging area (on xt disk) ... replacing virtual pages (having to be
written out to paging area (on xt disk).

PAM just sets up page mapped tables to point directly at the executable
and starts execution (w/o having to copy the executable image thru 370
memory from one area on the xt disk to another area on the same xt
disk). It can actually do a little bit better than that ... rather than
having to page fault each individual 4k page from the paging area on the
xt disk ... it can concurrently start fetch of several pages from the
filesystem while allowing execution (appropriately serializing execution
by fiddling the page invalid bits).

In traditional CMS environment with much less real storage constraint
.... whole images could still be page mapped at one time ... and a much
higher level of multiple block asyncronous concurrent page transfers
could go on (dynamically tuned to match the amount of available real
storage).

--
42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970
From: Morten Reistad on
In article <m3ljfhzfjv.fsf(a)garlic.com>,
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn(a)garlic.com> wrote:
>
>On 01/28/10 20:16, Andy "Krazy" Glew wrote:
>> Lynn: can you expand on this? "Shared Variable" sounds like it is
>> relevant to parallelism or concurrency; system services sounds like
>> syscalls. Abominations sounds bad, but makes me curious.
>>
>> I assume "ape" = A Programming Language. Iverson? Vectors? +/array?
>
>note ... i see the above in email and in google ... but it hasn't shown
>up at my usenet server ... there seems to be some connectivity problem
>with usenet "gateways" .... ibm-main mailing list usenet gateway
>recently has had several things go totally missing; ... in any case.

I have a slightly different problem; I see the replies to posts
by you, and several others, a day or so before I see the post.

And I get my own posts from around 3 weeks back reinjected into
the news stream somewhere.

-- mrr
From: Peter Flass on
Morten Reistad wrote:
> In article <m3ljfhzfjv.fsf(a)garlic.com>,
> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn(a)garlic.com> wrote:
>> On 01/28/10 20:16, Andy "Krazy" Glew wrote:
>>> Lynn: can you expand on this? "Shared Variable" sounds like it is
>>> relevant to parallelism or concurrency; system services sounds like
>>> syscalls. Abominations sounds bad, but makes me curious.
>>>
>>> I assume "ape" = A Programming Language. Iverson? Vectors? +/array?
>> note ... i see the above in email and in google ... but it hasn't shown
>> up at my usenet server ... there seems to be some connectivity problem
>> with usenet "gateways" .... ibm-main mailing list usenet gateway
>> recently has had several things go totally missing; ... in any case.
>
> I have a slightly different problem; I see the replies to posts
> by you, and several others, a day or so before I see the post.
>
> And I get my own posts from around 3 weeks back reinjected into
> the news stream somewhere.
>

Things must be frozen up in Norway this time of year;-)
From: Charles Richmond on
Morten Reistad wrote:
> In article <m3ljfhzfjv.fsf(a)garlic.com>,
> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn(a)garlic.com> wrote:
>> On 01/28/10 20:16, Andy "Krazy" Glew wrote:
>>> Lynn: can you expand on this? "Shared Variable" sounds like it is
>>> relevant to parallelism or concurrency; system services sounds like
>>> syscalls. Abominations sounds bad, but makes me curious.
>>>
>>> I assume "ape" = A Programming Language. Iverson? Vectors? +/array?
>> note ... i see the above in email and in google ... but it hasn't shown
>> up at my usenet server ... there seems to be some connectivity problem
>> with usenet "gateways" .... ibm-main mailing list usenet gateway
>> recently has had several things go totally missing; ... in any case.
>
> I have a slightly different problem; I see the replies to posts
> by you, and several others, a day or so before I see the post.
>
> And I get my own posts from around 3 weeks back reinjected into
> the news stream somewhere.
>

Do you ever get the feeling that you have read this post before???

Do you ever get the feeling that you have read this post before???

Do you ever get the feeling that you have read this post before???


:-)

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