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From: Michael Dobony on 4 Jan 2010 11:40 On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:59:33 -0500, Tim Perry wrote: > "Michael Dobony" <survey(a)stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message > news:nwikt68n6d0w.8efffljt78w8$.dlg(a)40tude.net... >> While not a recording NG, I figure someone here might have some insight to >> a problem I discovered. We record the praise and worship and also the >> sermons. I have never noticed a problem with the sermon CD's, but was >> asked >> to do some of the songs from worship for our small group. After ripping >> the >> CD with Media Player 11 I combined the tracks (automatically split every 5 >> minutes) in Total Recorder 8 and then split them into separate songs. The >> volume level was low, but no problem. MP3Gain will fix that! This is when >> I >> discovered that all the tracks are clipping! I thought that was strange >> considering the low volume level. My initial thought was that there was a >> problem with some individual channel gains. I have noticed in the past >> that >> someone messes around with levels during the week. I checked the channels >> today (it was my turn to run sound) and everything was fine on every >> channel. All the levels throughout the system were good and nowhere near >> clipping. We record directly to a Marantz CD recorder from Group 1 on a >> wye >> cable to the stereo inputs on the CD player and set the level to hit red >> only on occasion and only on the heavy passages. I also ran the record >> levels a little lower today and again every track is clipping. A-B >> comparison between the CD and the MP3 file show no difference between >> them. >> the unaltered MP3 levels are at about 90 db, but the volume seems low. >> This >> also seems to be common after talking to someone who works with the >> recordings every week. Any thoughts on where the problem might be? My only >> thought is the CD recorder. I may set up my laptop to record directly to >> MP3 next week. >> >> Mike D. > > 1: put a 10dB pad between mixer and recorder. Set record levels to never > peak. Sliders are already near max to get near peak. I will see if I can find a pad somewhere or see if there is a pad on th mixer for that output. > > 2: rip to wave and edit in wave. convert to MP3 at the last step.
From: Phildo on 4 Jan 2010 17:04 "Michael Dobony" <survey(a)stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message news:nwikt68n6d0w.8efffljt78w8$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > We record directly to a Marantz CD recorder from Group 1 on a wye > cable to the stereo inputs on the CD player And there is your problem. Basic sound 101. Amazing that someone who claims to know as much about sound as you do could make such a simple error. Phildo
From: Tim Perry on 4 Jan 2010 23:35 "Phildo" <Phil(a)phildo.net> wrote in message news:hhtol2$lpf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Michael Dobony" <survey(a)stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message > news:nwikt68n6d0w.8efffljt78w8$.dlg(a)40tude.net... >> We record directly to a Marantz CD recorder from Group 1 on a wye >> cable to the stereo inputs on the CD player > > And there is your problem. > > Basic sound 101. Amazing that someone who claims to know as much about > sound as you do could make such a simple error. > > Phildo Um phil... most line outs have a series resistor of some value or other making resistive summing practical with a simple wye cable. I don't think this is what he is doing here...sounds like subgroup one to a wye to both record inputs.
From: Michael Dobony on 5 Jan 2010 12:02 On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:35:50 -0500, Tim Perry wrote: > "Phildo" <Phil(a)phildo.net> wrote in message > news:hhtol2$lpf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "Michael Dobony" <survey(a)stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message >> news:nwikt68n6d0w.8efffljt78w8$.dlg(a)40tude.net... >>> We record directly to a Marantz CD recorder from Group 1 on a wye >>> cable to the stereo inputs on the CD player >> >> And there is your problem. >> >> Basic sound 101. Amazing that someone who claims to know as much about >> sound as you do could make such a simple error. >> >> Phildo > > Um phil... most line outs have a series resistor of some value or other > making resistive summing practical with a simple wye cable. I don't think > this is what he is doing here...sounds like subgroup one to a wye to both > record inputs. > > > Phil is brain dead. That is one reason he is blocked. Since he can't figure out simple English I will have to further explain. Single output from group 1 through a wye cable to left and right inputs. It is NOT summing, but spitting an output into 2 separate inputs, same signal to left and right channels in the recorder. Are there any other ways I can say it to make it clearer to the abuser and grade school dropout? I guess it depends on how drunk or stoned he is. It doesn't appear that he can read anything right FWIS.
From: Phildo on 5 Jan 2010 13:57
"Tim Perry" <timperry(a)donespameroadrunner.com> wrote in message news:hhufjd$9r6$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Phildo" <Phil(a)phildo.net> wrote in message > news:hhtol2$lpf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "Michael Dobony" <survey(a)stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message >> news:nwikt68n6d0w.8efffljt78w8$.dlg(a)40tude.net... >>> We record directly to a Marantz CD recorder from Group 1 on a wye >>> cable to the stereo inputs on the CD player >> >> And there is your problem. >> >> Basic sound 101. Amazing that someone who claims to know as much about >> sound as you do could make such a simple error. >> >> Phildo > > Um phil... most line outs have a series resistor of some value or other > making resistive summing practical with a simple wye cable. I don't think > this is what he is doing here...sounds like subgroup one to a wye to both > record inputs. Depends on the Cd recorder he is using. Personally I think this is where his problem lies. Phildo |