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From: mpc755 on 30 Jun 2010 08:17 On Jun 30, 6:53 am, harald <h...(a)swissonline.ch> wrote: > On Jun 30, 12:26 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 30, 4:46 am, harald <h...(a)swissonline.ch> wrote: > > > > On Jun 30, 4:06 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Jun 29, 8:27 am, harald <h...(a)swissonline.ch> wrote: > > > > [..] > > > > > > > there was a Lorentz ether in GR even thought Einstein said, "the ether > > > > > > of the general theory of relativity AS OPPOSED TO the ether of Lorentz > > > > > > consists in this..." > > > > > > Obviously you don't have a clue what he was talking about; but worse, > > > > > neither do you really want to know, nor do you want to > > > > > read any other sentences. > > > > > > > So, even though Einstein said, "According to the general theory of > > > > > > relativity space without ether is unthinkable" you are suggesting > > > > > > Einstein said there was no ether in SR? > > > > > > For a last time (yes I know, to deaf ears), Einstein indicated that > > > > > the ether of SR corresponds to the Lorentz ether. But you don't have a > > > > > clue what the difference is between your ether and that of Lorentz. > > > > > Einstein said, "the ether of the general theory of relativity as > > > > opposed to the ether of Lorentz consists in this..." > > > > > What part of 'as opposed to' are you unable to understand? Einstein is > > > > saying the ether of General Relativity is not the ether of Lorentz. > > > > > You are stating Einstein said the ether of SR is the ether of Lorentz. > > > > > Do you really believe Einstein chose to believe in two > > > > ethers, one for SR and one for GR? > > > > Of course not, those are just models - but I wonder if you know what > > > that means. Have you never heard of the Bohr and Schrodinger atoms? Do > > > you really believe that scientists "choose" to believe in different > > > types of atoms, one type of atom for Bohr followers and one type for > > > Schrodinger followers? > > > > [..] > > > > Harald > > > Do you really believe Einstein chose to believe in two > > models of ether? One for GR and one for SR? > > I replied here above: "Of course not", and I indicated the meaning of > models to you. Against such blindness nothing helps. > > Harald > > [..] So, you are stating Einstein has three models of ether? The Lorentz one for SR, the non-Lorentz one for GR, and the one from his 'first paper' (http://www.worldscibooks.com/etextbook/4454/4454_chap1.pdf)? 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein' http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state." The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the aether's state of displacement. The cause which conditions the aether's state is its displacement by matter. |