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From: rf on 27 Dec 2009 02:03
"Mike Duffy" <respond(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> 2) Thanks again David. As you may see, I have successfully added clocks to
> all my web pages to show server time and local time.
>
> http://pages.videotron.com/duffym/

Your time is out by one hour. The southern half of the planet is in daylight
saving time right now.


From: Richard Maher on 27 Dec 2009 02:16

"rf" <rf(a)z.invalid> wrote in message
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> The southern half of the planet is in daylight
> saving time right now.

Oh no we're not! At least those of us not living in sunshine-challenged
States anyway :-)

Cheers Richard Maher
>
>


From: Evertjan. on 27 Dec 2009 04:39
Dr J R Stockton wrote on 26 dec 2009 in comp.lang.javascript:

> Putting the US flag first and the others in what looks like alphabetical
> order of English form of language name is politically incorrect. The
> flags should be in alphabetical order of the language currently being
> shown, and the correct flag for English is of course the Cross of St
> George. Latin & Esperanto seem to be missing.

Using flags for languages is incorrect as:

Some languages would need to point to many flags, and
most flags should point to more languages than one.

Even "political correct" has a different meaning for near every flag.

Why not stick to the compromize of wikipedia?

The translations used are laughably incorrect,
and often are nnot understandasble to a native speaker
without consulting the English version.

Does this have anything to do with Javascript?

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Evertjan.
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From: Dr J R Stockton on 28 Dec 2009 16:45
In comp.lang.javascript message <Xns9CEDEF2BDF04Brespondinvalidinvali(a)94
..75.214.90>, Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:30:43, Mike Duffy
<respond(a)invalid.invalid> posted:
>Dr J R Stockton <reply0952(a)merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>news:CiEk2TJcApNLFws5(a)invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid:
>
>> How do you get that to work for David and not for me?
>>
>>>http://pages.videotron.com/duffym/
>
>Are you saying that the clocks (local & server) do not work for you? I
>have not yet added the support for old (IE6 & <) browsers. Which browser
>are you using?

I see no clocks with Firefox 3.0.15, IE, Chrome, Opera, Safari. You did
write "I have successfully added clocks to all my web pages to show
server time and local time.", so I only looked at some pages.



>> Putting the US flag first and the others in what looks like
>> alphabetical order of English form of language name is politically
>> incorrect.
>
>They are in alphabetic order of the drop-down list on the Google
>"translate text" page, which is, I believe, exactly as you say it looks
>like. English has been pushed to the start in order to reduce the
>complexity of debugging.
>
>
>> The flags should be in alphabetical order of the language
>> currently being shown,
>
>Probably if I were hosting the UN web site I would do as you say, but
>that seems to me to add complexity that does really add value to the
>product worthy of the effort nor the risk of unforseen complications. To
>be fair, I suppose I should use the alphabetic order of the 2 char iso
>language code, and put English (en) in it's proper place between Greek
>(el) and Spanish (es). The next time I find myself working on that part
>of my javascript include file I will do exactly that.
>
>
>> ... the correct flag for English is of course
>> the Cross of St George.
>
>I did actually consider this. But many international users would not make
>the connection. As far as that goes, the UK flag is more widely used on
>the web to denote the English language. But since my web-site is written
>in Quebec English, it makes more sense to use the American flag.

You should be able to use both. But Wales, for which you have a flag,
is part of the UK. England is the only major part of the UK which has
no surviving active indigenous language other than English. But I think
you'd be hard pressed to find anyone (except maybe in Patagonia) who
would prefer Google's Welsh to your quasi-American English.

Take a look at my home page, via sig., which gives that translation
facility more economically.


>There is a certain body of opinion that holds that flags should not be
>used at all for language selection. The problem of choosing which country
>flag to use for Swahili was reduced (for me) to picking the country with
>the largest number of Swahili speakers. The Indian flag is an obvious
>choice for Hindi written in the Devanagari script, but what will I do
>when other uniquely Indian languages become supported? I used the Chinese
>flag twice, but I cannot forsee doing this for all 400 Indian languages.
>And did you recognize the flag I used for Yiddish?
>
>
>> Latin & Esperanto seem to be missing.
>As soon as Google supports them, I will add them. And I cannot for the
>life of me guess what flags I will use.

For Latin, a bust of Caesar should be recognisable; and Zamenhof looks
quite different. But the Wiki Zamenhof article shows what is presumably
an Esperanto flag, confirmed by the Esperanto article. The Rome article
shows a flag, which could be used - or an SPQR logo.


>> The astro page has NaNs.
>In the planetary positions, or in the tide (gravity gradient)
>calculation? Everything has always worked okay for me. I would appreciate
>details on the errors you encountered.

In the text, e.g. "Currently, the Moon is NaN % illuminated."
Obviously, a lot is not shown.

MSIE8 raises errors such as

Webpage error details

User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1;
Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR
3.0.04506.30; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR
3.5.30729; OfficeLiveConnector.1.3; OfficeLivePatch.0.0)
Timestamp: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:42:07 UTC

Message: 'google.loader.ClientLocation.latitude' is null or not an
object
Line: 36
Char: 1
Code: 0
URI: http://pages.videotron.com/duffym/astro.htm

Perhaps you are expecting readers to have installed something?

Maybe

uLat = google.loader.ClientLocation.latitude;

returns "undefined", which then should be tested for (Google has not
been told my latitude).



I've now quickly looked at the code. Perhaps HTML should show a
conspicuous area containing "If you can read this when loading is
finished, something is not working", and either replace it with results
or hide it.


For function jd(obs,actual) in astro.htm, you should be able to use
something *like*

new Date(obs.year, obs.month-1, obs.day) / 864e5 + constant

perhaps with a Date.UTC() inside.

You can use now.getFullYear instead of function getFullYear(now), or, if
you want to use only getYear, see :

function getFY(D) { var YE // needs full test in all browsers
YE = 1970 + Math.round(D.getTime() / 31556952000) // s per Greg yr
return YE + (D.getYear()-YE)%100 }

in <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-date0.htm#gFY>, in which
31556952000 only has to be roughly right (YE can be decades in error
without affecting the answer).



>> The puns page does not translate well.
>
>If you thinks that's bad, check out my poetry!

Unreadable in English, because of the colour and size.

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From: JR on 28 Dec 2009 19:35
On Dec 28, 7:45 pm, Dr J R Stockton <reply0...(a)merlyn.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

> >Probably if I were hosting the UN web site I would do as you say, but
> >that seems to me to add complexity that does really add value to the
> >product worthy of the effort nor the risk of unforseen complications. To
> >be fair, I suppose I should use the alphabetic order of the 2 char iso
> >language code, and put English (en) in it's proper place between Greek
> >(el) and Spanish (es). The next time I find myself working on that part
> >of my javascript include file I will do exactly that.
>
> >> ... the correct flag for English is of course
> >> the Cross of St George.
>
> >I did actually consider this. But many international users would not make
> >the connection. As far as that goes, the UK flag is more widely used on
> >the web to denote the English language. But since my web-site is written
> >in Quebec English, it makes more sense to use the American flag.
>
> You should be able to use both.  But Wales, for which you have a flag,
> is part of the UK.  England is the only major part of the UK which has
> no surviving active indigenous language other than English.

I've heard about the Northumbrian (Tyneside region of England) dialect
called 'Geordie'.

Eeeh man, ahm gannin te the booza.

--
JR
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