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From: Doering B. on 13 Nov 2005 11:15 After reading all the statements - here are mine -hope easier to read than others -hope easier to understand than others -hope more helpful than others :-) and first - for some persons here... -I'm not in love with Brian or any other member of the DevTeam -I'm not getting money from GrafX -I'm not known as a person - making hasty decisions I was at Cologne I heard news about VO and Vulcan I saw news about Vulcan I must - and therefore will - go on with VO-Apps for the next 2-5 years I must - and therefore will - switch to .NET for new applications I should -and therefore will - switch to .NET for older applications - if it's possible (mainly customer-decision) For me, switching from VO32 to .NET should be -as easy as possible -as compatible as possible -as inexpensive as possible Rewriting all applications in C++/# is impossible Timelines for VO2.8 and Vulcan are - for me - ok What I've seen and heard at Cologne was better than many years of CA-VO. Since Cologne - I can't find a reason NOT to subscribe to VOPS Buying Vulcan and upgrade VO next year will cost a certain amount of money Sum up - and I can get -contact to GrafX (the closer - the better) -bugfixes for VO (the earlier - the better) -new info and releases for Vulcan (=.NET=almost new world=needs some time to get practice=the earlier-the better) nearly for free And last but not least - some persons should remember - they are here - because they are programming in VO. They are important for this forum - because they have much experience and knowledge in programming. They are not here for discussing like GER/"Erbsenzähler und bockige Kinder" :-)
From: Erik Visser on 13 Nov 2005 13:11 Bravo!! Erik
From: Patrick Vletter (Prive) on 13 Nov 2005 14:03 Wise words!!!
From: @je on 13 Nov 2005 16:37 Hi Marc, I'm trying not to be sarcastic. All I am saying is that non VOPS members have seen nothing from GrafXSoft in a long while, even after firm promises have been made at conferences. And you have surely not told _why_ the sky is looking all blue again, I certainly see what Vulcan can do for migrating existing VO applications (if and when they deliver) and I am willing to accept to think that after seeing what you 've seen in Germany last week, you firmly believe that this going to be the case soon. But it would good to see some statements and progress on VO32 out here. Afaic regarding VO32 in the form of a decent VO 2.8 with good new features. Ed "Marc Verkade [Marti IT]" <marc(a)martiXYZNOSPAMZYX.nl> wrote in message news:4374c30e$0$592$58c7af7e(a)news.kabelfoon.nl... > Hai Ed, > I think you are sarcatic but I am not sure. > > You have the facts appearently.. I don't. I have read the post from Robert > and knowing him a bit, I am > not conviced he is telling lies, 50:50 it must be! > > Yep, a lot is done to Vulcan and yes, a lot is done to VO. For the road > map, I have heard the stuff they told at Cologne but you'd better ask > Grafx. As for VO itself, I have the feeling it is more alive then ever > seeing what I have seen this week. > > -- > Grtz, > Marc Verkade > > > "@je" <Ed_XXX_@_XXX_SoftwareObjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht > news:4373f868$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au... >> Wauw, now that's really convincing Marc. How does that relate to the >> valid arguments made here in tihs thread regarding VO 32-bit development? >> It only underlines the message that a lot of development is done for >> Vulcan. >> How about 32-bit announcements, previews of new features for the next >> 32-bit version? When will the bugs be fixed for us regular people that >> have no access to VOPS, when the next patch due? What's the roadmap for >> developers that need VO for their existing applications and have no >> immediate .net need? >> >> Have fun, and say hello to Ansgar and Sabo for me ;-) >> >> Ed >> >> >> >> "Marc Verkade [Portable]" <marc(a)mart___XYZ__ZYX____i.nl> wrote in message >> news:4373cde4$0$83583$58c7af7e(a)news.kabelfoon.nl... >>>I am here in Germany and have to reconsider my thoughts about completely >>>turning to C#... The stuff I have seen here definately gives a future for >>>VO by converting to the Vulcan path. When there isa reflector plug-in you >>>can even see you VO in C# if that is nescessary for you! >>> >>> Chrys Pythas has made some impressive things in Vulcan, and yes, it >>> looks like real VO! 30.000 lines of Vulcan Code compiled in seconds.... >>> I keep my fingers crossed but my worry's about the future are lessened >>> at least by 50%! >>> >>> Grtz, Marc >>> >>> >>> >>> "TSDing" <dingts(a)pc.jaring.my> schreef in bericht >>> news:4373c3d8$1_2(a)news.tm.net.my... >>>> >>>> Its not really about money, it is the direction that VO is going. >>>> >>>> I hope you would also respects the non-VOPS people. Grafx will still >>>> need NON-VOPS people to buy future version of VO >>>> or Vulcan. >>>> >>>> I have been using VO since pre-released version. I have also upgrade >>>> every single paid version of VO, I even blindly pay >>>> for pre-released VO upgrades but for VOPS ? even if VOPS cost 1 cent, >>>> I would not join. At first, I felt it is wrong to >>>> support this type of scheme, it seems that I might be right. Already we >>>> can see the split and unhappiness. >>>> >>>> Not just spliting VO users into different class, It just isolate VO >>>> from the rest of the world. With every vendor opening >>>> up their software and let as many people as possible to participate >>>> both as users and contributers... VO isolates itself. >>>> >>>> Hate to see VO getting into this situation. Maybe there is alot of >>>> shout from VOPS camp, but for me... very little progress >>>> in VO. At this type of progress rate, I rather try to go elsewhere. >>>> >>>> Just my view. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Ding >>>> >>>> >>>> "Karl Faller" <k.faller_withoutthat_(a)onlinehome.de> wrote in message >>>> news:oo97n1dd8roa0j8ckrcugqo4bcf86jat58(a)4ax.com... >>>>> Paul, >>>>>>and those who haven't (maybe >>>>>>because they can't afford it). " >>>>> with all due respect, but would you tell me, what YOU cost per hour? >>>>> I can't stand anymore this whining from assumedly "professionals", >>>>> i.e., people who make their living with IT. It's simply ridiculous. >>>>> >>>>> What was PS last year? 680 Euro? = How many of your workhours? >>>>> Plus the fact, that you get a licence of Vulcan (which you may sell, >>>>> if you don't need or like it), plus a license of the next official VO >>>>> release, plus up to now almost 20 interim builds (WITH significant >>>>> bugfixes, Dieter <g>). >>>>> >>>>> When did MS last time give a damn about Your wishes? What costs a >>>>> MSDN? What.... i could go forever... >>>>> >>>>> I consider myself as not even a hobby programmer, but i bought PS, as >>>>> i bought CULE, and don't think i didn't get what i paid for. >>>>> >>>>> Karl >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
From: @je on 13 Nov 2005 16:38
We seen that statement before, why would we believe that now? Ed "Ginny Caughey" <ginny.caughey.online(a)wasteworks.com> wrote in message news:3tjraiFsms2rU1(a)individual.net... > NC, > > There was no announcement about the details of VO 2.8, but it is not a > patch and will contain new functionality. I'm sure by the time 2.8 is > available those details will also be available however. > > I'm not sure what you mean about Vulcan and CULE, but if you prefer CULE > then of course that is what you should use. If you want to wait to make a > decision until after Vulcan.NET is released, then you can compare them at > that point and decide which meets your needs better. > > -- > Ginny > > > "N.Coppernigk" <n.coppernigk(a)gazeta.pl> wrote in message > news:1131722267.866773.146810(a)g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> Hi Ginny, >> >> thanks for sharing the news with us. >> >>> There will be no more free public patches to VO 2.7. >> >> So what is new in VO2.8 ? >> If it contains only a patch, it makes concerns for me >> to pay for a patch. >> If this go on with Vulcan, i prefer further CULE. >> >> Bye >> NC >> > > |