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From: thanatoid on 23 Dec 2009 03:15
Hello,

I made an Acronis image of my Windows SE install (let's call it
#2). It was done on a clean defragged drive with only one other
file (except for the recycle bin desktop.ini), another image
(let's call it #1).

The drive shows as 100% unfragmented using CrackUp.

In XP, using the XP defragger, #2 shows all red, totally
fragmented. Image #1 is blue and OK.

A 1.5GB file will take a while to defrag, plus I am hesitant to
defrag an Acronis image. I am not crazy about XP Defrag - is
leaves spaces where it shouldn't after it tells you it's done,
and when you run it again it shows completely different results,
and ALSO tells you it is done - with spaces still on the drive.

I tried another defragger - which I just happen to have laying
around, I have never used it before, FWIW, it's called Rapid
File Defragmenter - and it shows Acronis #2 file as fine.

What's going on?

Has anyone tried using the Me defrag on XP?

I am using FAT-32 BTW.

Any comments will be appreciated.
From: Andrew E. on 23 Dec 2009 22:58
If xp shows all red in defrag then you have alot of other problems...Try
cmd,in cmd type: CHKDSK C: View the results,then type: CHKDSK C: /F
Back in xp,open cmd,type: CLEANMGR After,type: Defrag C:
Run ME defrag with xp,ME was the worst of worst windows OS...

"thanatoid" wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I made an Acronis image of my Windows SE install (let's call it
> #2). It was done on a clean defragged drive with only one other
> file (except for the recycle bin desktop.ini), another image
> (let's call it #1).
>
> The drive shows as 100% unfragmented using CrackUp.
>
> In XP, using the XP defragger, #2 shows all red, totally
> fragmented. Image #1 is blue and OK.
>
> A 1.5GB file will take a while to defrag, plus I am hesitant to
> defrag an Acronis image. I am not crazy about XP Defrag - is
> leaves spaces where it shouldn't after it tells you it's done,
> and when you run it again it shows completely different results,
> and ALSO tells you it is done - with spaces still on the drive.
>
> I tried another defragger - which I just happen to have laying
> around, I have never used it before, FWIW, it's called Rapid
> File Defragmenter - and it shows Acronis #2 file as fine.
>
> What's going on?
>
> Has anyone tried using the Me defrag on XP?
>
> I am using FAT-32 BTW.
>
> Any comments will be appreciated.
> .
>
From: Peter Foldes on 23 Dec 2009 23:19
You are one friggin sick person Andrew. Continually posting bad advice

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"Andrew E." <eckrichco(a)msn.com> wrote in message
news:3A1689AF-03DE-4DAE-B153-819A834B53EC(a)microsoft.com...
> If xp shows all red in defrag then you have alot of other problems...Try
> cmd,in cmd type: CHKDSK C: View the results,then type: CHKDSK C: /F
> Back in xp,open cmd,type: CLEANMGR After,type: Defrag C:
> Run ME defrag with xp,ME was the worst of worst windows OS...
>
> "thanatoid" wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I made an Acronis image of my Windows SE install (let's call it
>> #2). It was done on a clean defragged drive with only one other
>> file (except for the recycle bin desktop.ini), another image
>> (let's call it #1).
>>
>> The drive shows as 100% unfragmented using CrackUp.
>>
>> In XP, using the XP defragger, #2 shows all red, totally
>> fragmented. Image #1 is blue and OK.
>>
>> A 1.5GB file will take a while to defrag, plus I am hesitant to
>> defrag an Acronis image. I am not crazy about XP Defrag - is
>> leaves spaces where it shouldn't after it tells you it's done,
>> and when you run it again it shows completely different results,
>> and ALSO tells you it is done - with spaces still on the drive.
>>
>> I tried another defragger - which I just happen to have laying
>> around, I have never used it before, FWIW, it's called Rapid
>> File Defragmenter - and it shows Acronis #2 file as fine.
>>
>> What's going on?
>>
>> Has anyone tried using the Me defrag on XP?
>>
>> I am using FAT-32 BTW.
>>
>> Any comments will be appreciated.
>> .
>>

From: thanatoid on 23 Dec 2009 23:55
Steve Hayes <hayesstw(a)telkomsa.net> wrote in
news:uat4j5hl3bfcsuumk07tjln3ds4l17nttk(a)4ax.com:

> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:15:36 +0000 (UTC), thanatoid
> <waiting(a)the.exit.invalid> wrote:
>
>>A 1.5GB file will take a while to defrag, plus I am
>>hesitant to defrag an Acronis image. I am not crazy about
>>XP Defrag - is leaves spaces where it shouldn't after it
>>tells you it's done, and when you run it again it shows
>>completely different results, and ALSO tells you it is done
>>- with spaces still on the drive.
>
> The defragger doesn't necessarily make all theils
> contiguous with each other, just all the bits of one file
> contiguous. If the file is likely to gwo, the extra space
> will prevent it from becoming fragmented again too quickly.

OK, that makes sense except it doesn't explain why 2 identically
made, with NO compression, 1.5 GB Acronis image files show as
one 100% OK and other 100% fragmented - to begin with, I
seriously even DOUBT it is /possible/ to have a file 100%
fragmented.

OTOH, and this is why I mentioned the ME defragger - yes, I know
Me sucked, but EVERYONE tells you to use the Me scandisk and
defrag instead of the 9x, and I have been for about 8 years -
what I LIKE about it is that it shows you every sector (I may be
using the incorrect term). AND when it is done, unless the LAST
file on the drive was something huge and one of the "this data
will not be moved" ones, it fills up ALL the space leaving NO
gaps AT ALL. So I found the fact the XP defragger DOES leave
spaces al over the place a little perplexing.

Thanks for the reply.
From: thanatoid on 24 Dec 2009 00:24
=?Utf-8?B?QW5kcmV3IEUu?= <eckrichco(a)msn.com> wrote in
news:3A1689AF-03DE-4DAE-B153-819A834B53EC(a)microsoft.com:

> If xp shows all red in defrag then you have alot of other
> problems...Try
> cmd,in cmd type: CHKDSK C: View the results,then type:
> CHKDSK C: /F
> Back in xp,open cmd,type: CLEANMGR After,type: Defrag C:
> Run ME defrag with xp,ME was the worst of worst windows
> OS...

Considering the follow-up to your post ;-) I will be hesitant to
try your suggestions, but I will see which ones are non-
destructive just to see if you may be right... I an new to these
groups /and/ XP and one person's opinion Vs. another's at this
point is not something I can make a judgment on...

I do /not/ have a "lot of other problems", I can tell you that
for sure. I just have a problem with the XP defragger acting
unreasonably (yes, I know it's a MS product, actually I think it
was developed in conjunction with makers of Diskeeper, one of
THE most oversold piece of software ever - with VARYING
reviews...)

I guess I can find another defragger and see what IT says...

Maybe the one THIS comment was made about ;-) - free, too...

"WinXP defrag = A bicycle going through one foot of sticky mud.
Auslogics Disk Defrag = The Starship Enterprise at warp speed."
Andavari

Thanks for the reply.
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