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From: Jonathan N. Little on 21 Mar 2010 10:16 Axel Dahmen wrote: >>> I am currently updating one of my websites from old HTML 3.2 to HTML >>> 4.01. >> >> Why? > > Why not? Jukka's questions are spot-on but a little terse. If the site is legacy and works, why bother. If you are going to update, why not update to modern standards than perpetuate old hacks. Frames were a way to assemble a webpage when server-side technologies were either non-existant or too pricey. That is not the case today, even free hosting plans include server-side technologies like PHP. Google "how to include one html file into another" > > >>> As I can see, a couple of attributes have been deprecated in HTML 4.01 >>> FRAMESET DTD (e.g. framespacing, border, frameborder). >> >> Frames weren't in HTML 3.2 at all. > > Yes, you are right. My mistake. > > >>> However, I >>> don't seem to be able to get rid of margins between adjacent frames >>> by CSS. >> >> Why does that bother you? IIRC framespacing was a MS thing, the attributes are frameborder, marginheight, and marginwidth. But again if you goal is to have a cohesive page made from a composite then includes is the way to go and then there are not link target issues. <?php include('header.php'); include('navbar.php'); /* page content */ include('footer.php'); ?> -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
From: Jonathan N. Little on 21 Mar 2010 10:20 Axel Dahmen wrote: <top posting snip> I'll give you another tip before you further tweak the ire of Jukka: <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=how+to+properly+quote+in+usenet> -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
From: Axel Dahmen on 22 Mar 2010 09:38 Hi, Jon, here's another link about the same topic for you: http://www.dashop.de/blog/en/usenet/content/Quoting-In-Newsgroups.html
From: Axel Dahmen on 22 Mar 2010 09:49 > It's reasonable to expect that you have a reason for making some change, > instead of first asking why it should not be made. OK, well I gave my reason in my reply to Ben: Because these elements exist (up to HTML5) and because they currently don't work as expected. > If you want to use the techniques of mid-1990s that have widely been found > wanting and have been replaced by better approaches, it looks absurd to > care about not being "valid", i.e. not conforming to a formalized syntax > specification. Actually, I believe qualifying the other methods as "better" is quite subjective. I regard the frameset approach as a very well designed parent-child window relationship implementation. All the other approaches would only try to reproduce this behaviour but, e.g., using an iframe is semantically completely different from a frameset. An iframe is used for inline content put anywhere *within* a document. But to re-gain the intention of a frameset, an additional indirection of using a table construct would be necessary, or even some out-of-band solution like CSS. Both solutions are heuristic approaches when it comes to reproduce a parent-child window relationship. > Oh well, you could always write your document without the "forbidden" > attributes and add some JavaScript that effectively adds them when the > document has been loaded. Of course, it would be pointless and less > reliable - and off-topic in this group. Well, and it would be an out-of-band solution, as I wrote above. Currently I *have* to use these "forbidden" attributes, because without them, a frameset doesn't render correctly. With this discussion I'm striving for an amendment on HTML5 to add these attributes to the frameset element - if they are missing - or to CSS - if they are missing there. Anyway, something is wrong. And I suppose it should be fixed. Take care, Axel
From: Jonathan N. Little on 22 Mar 2010 10:39
Axel Dahmen wrote: > Hi, Jon, here's another link about the same topic for you: > http://www.dashop.de/blog/en/usenet/content/Quoting-In-Newsgroups.html Whatever, cannot say I did not warn you. BTW it's Jonathan -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |