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From: Alan Secker on 18 Jan 2010 08:14
Don Phillipson wrote:

> "Alan Secker" <alan(a)asandco.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:qYydnTXtU9dwPs3WnZ2dnUVZ7sZi4p2d(a)pipex.net...
>
>> The HL-2150N is not supported for pre-XP versions of Windows but someone
>> somewhere may be able to wink and nod and say: ' Try ....'. If he's
> reading
>> this I would be very grateful for any suggestions.
>
>
http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/eu/gb/en/monolaserpri/hl2150n_all/spec/index.html
> says this unit uses the PCL driver for Win2000Pro.
> Brother has a variety of PCL drivers for earlier network
> printers e.g. HL 2070N so one of these might work OK.
> Brother manuals mention a generic PCL driver for
> WinNT, Win2000 and WinXP and there may be
> earlier (Win98) versions.

I used an HP Laserjet II driver this morning and my secretary is a happy
bunny. Thanks to all who replied.

Alan

From: Don Phillipson on 21 Jan 2010 11:10
"TJ" <TJ(a)noneofyour.business> wrote in message
news:hisihj$3l0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...

> If you don't already have one on hand, finding a Windows 98 driver for
> almost any HP printer is next to impossible. The same is probably true
> of Brother, and a number of other peripherals.

Brother was in 2009 still marketing (some) printers with Win98 drivers.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


From: Arthur Entlich on 22 Jan 2010 03:18
I have posted about this before, but it may be worth repeating.

People who require Win 98, Win 98SE, or Win ME drivers for their HP
products, (that includes scanners, printers, and digital cameras) may
need to ask around or try to locate older drivers on manufacturer driver
disks or archives on line (other than from the manufacturers themselves).

The reason for this is because HP, unlike many, if not most of the
peripheral manufacturers, designed their drivers around a unidrive
component which contained code from Microsoft's OSs. While the use of
this code simplified the driver construction, and may have had other
benefits, when Microsoft withdrew support for the above mentioned OSs,
their partners were under contract to stop distribution of any software
they provided their clients which contained Microsoft code from those
products.

Most other manufacturers built their own drivers from scratch without
using the Microsoft code, and therefore own their own drivers and can
distribute them at will.

I attempted for almost a year to negotiate with both HP and Microsoft to
rectify this problem without success. I personally feel neither saw any
advantage to trying to correct this situation. In my opinion, HP seemed
to benefit from burying their older printers so they didn't have to
provide cartridges, parts or service for them, (keep in mind their older
printers used larger capacity cartridges and were easier to refill
because they didn't contain monitor chips) pushing people to buy newer
models (with even more expensive ink), and Microsoft probably didn't see
any advantage to spend time or energy getting their lawyers to re-write
their agreement to allow the use of the code, even though it was
probably otherwise obsolete and little use to them. (Probably all that
was needed was a disclaimer with the driver that it was no longer
supported by either HP or Microsoft and was provided as is.)

Anyway, let's just call it a conspiracy of "benefits" for both
corporations, while causing harm to both end users (particularly those
on a tight budget) and the environment, since these printer are likely
to have become so much landfill.

I don't know where Brother may or may not stand in their use of
Microsoft code or distribution of their drivers.

Art


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Don Phillipson wrote:
> "TJ" <TJ(a)noneofyour.business> wrote in message
> news:hisihj$3l0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> If you don't already have one on hand, finding a Windows 98 driver for
>> almost any HP printer is next to impossible. The same is probably true
>> of Brother, and a number of other peripherals.
>
> Brother was in 2009 still marketing (some) printers with Win98 drivers.
>
From: TJ on 22 Jan 2010 08:35
Arthur Entlich wrote:
> I have posted about this before, but it may be worth repeating.
>
> People who require Win 98, Win 98SE, or Win ME drivers for their HP
> products, (that includes scanners, printers, and digital cameras) may
> need to ask around or try to locate older drivers on manufacturer driver
> disks or archives on line (other than from the manufacturers themselves).
>
> The reason for this is because HP, unlike many, if not most of the
> peripheral manufacturers, designed their drivers around a unidrive
> component which contained code from Microsoft's OSs. While the use of
> this code simplified the driver construction, and may have had other
> benefits, when Microsoft withdrew support for the above mentioned OSs,
> their partners were under contract to stop distribution of any software
> they provided their clients which contained Microsoft code from those
> products.
>

Don't be surprised if the same thing happens to Windows 2000 drivers in
a few months, when it reaches the end-of-life date Microsoft has
assigned to it.

TJ
--
90 per cent of everything is crud.

- Theodore Sturgeon
From: Alan on 20 Feb 2010 04:24
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:14:15 +0000, Alan Secker <alan(a)asandco.co.uk>
wrote:

>Don Phillipson wrote:
>
>> "Alan Secker" <alan(a)asandco.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:qYydnTXtU9dwPs3WnZ2dnUVZ7sZi4p2d(a)pipex.net...
>>
>>> The HL-2150N is not supported for pre-XP versions of Windows but someone
>>> somewhere may be able to wink and nod and say: ' Try ....'. If he's
>> reading
>>> this I would be very grateful for any suggestions.
>>
>>
>http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/eu/gb/en/monolaserpri/hl2150n_all/spec/index.html
>> says this unit uses the PCL driver for Win2000Pro.
>> Brother has a variety of PCL drivers for earlier network
>> printers e.g. HL 2070N so one of these might work OK.
>> Brother manuals mention a generic PCL driver for
>> WinNT, Win2000 and WinXP and there may be
>> earlier (Win98) versions.
>
>I used an HP Laserjet II driver this morning and my secretary is a happy
>bunny. Thanks to all who replied.
>
>Alan

You can do better than that.
(Hope this is still relevant a few weeks later...)


The specs of the printer say:
http://www.brother.com.au/products/Printers/Monochrome_Laser_Printers/HL-2150N.aspx
Emulation PCL
Resident Fonts PCL: 49 scalable fonts, 12 bitmap fonts, 11 bar codes
Standard Memory 16MB
Printer Resolution HQ1200 dpi

and the manual says it supports PCL6

The LaserJet II is a 300 dpi printer, and it runs PCL4, which is a
basically bitmaps only.

So anything you print using that driver will be converted to a 300 dpi
bitmap and sent to the printer.

I don't know of a PCL6 driver for Win98, but you can use a PCL5 driver
(say the LaserJet IV), this will allow you to use 600 dpi graphics and
also scaleable fonts (standard fonts like Courier and Times are built
in, so they don't need to be sent the printer) which will be printed
at full resolution.

I don't know if you can get 1200dpi (the "HQ" mode) this way, but you
will get sharper, and probably faster, printing using a PCL5 driver.

(You can also set the PCL5 driver to 300 dpi and see if there is a
speed difference, for text I doubt there will be.)

Also amongst the printer settings in Windows there should be a setting
for printer memory/RAM. If so, set this to say 12 MB (though your
printer has 16MB, it may have reserved some for its own use, and 12 is
plenty). Then Windows will be able to print more efficiently as it
will not slow down output to match the much smaller memory of an LJII
(I think 1/2 MB was standard, 4 MB was a very expensive upgrade).

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