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From: mm on 12 Dec 2009 13:29 Windows XP-SP3; Web access is only the first 10 or 15 minutes of each session. Besides planning to do a repair install on windows XP SP3, I'm also trying to solve my XP problem one symptom at a time. (When my problem first started, it took 15 minutes to start windows, and when Windows started, it ran 10 times as slow as normal, and it would not access the web or the rest of the internet. In order to get this far, I used msconfig.exe and unchecked every Service and every start-up program. I have rechecked every service except Shell Hardware Detection and Uninterruptable Power Supply. In Firefox, I disable every add-on.) I have Verizon DSL (which gives me no problem 99.99% of the time when using win98SE on the same box). RIGHT NOW, most of XP works all the time, and at normal speed, and all or almost all of the rest works some of the time (and at normal speed). SPECIFICALLY, web access works only for the first 10 or 15 minutes after Windows XP-SP3 has started. This includes IE6 and FF3. The messages are something like Server not Found, or a blank screen with the word "done" on the line at the bottom. This includes efforts to fetch the same url l that I got successfully just a couple minutes ago. Watching a video on Utube worked, once for 8 minutes, and another time, when I had done something else first, it only rant for 2 minutes. Then it just stopped. I could still move the cursor and click on things which would take me to a blank screen with a new url in the location box at the top, but nothing will load. OTOH, POP email and Usenet work all the time. The rest is more examples of programs that do the same sort of thing. Eudora email works all the time, but emails in html which include graphics that have urls won't download except during those first 10 or 15 minutes. Emails I look at after that just sit there with blue space where the graphic is supposed to be. Windows updates seem to download, but if it's possible to do so in multiple windows sessions, that's what's happening. It may be doing part of the DL in the first 10 minutes of each session. When it completes the dl, it correctly installs the updates when I exit Windows. 3 of them last night, several others 4 or 5 days ago. From win98, I dl'd a newer release of AVG, but installed it in XP. It's been able to update its own virus definitions, automatically yesterday, but when I tried late last night, the dl failed in the middle. Come to think of it, that had happened several times before, and I guess it happens when the 10 or 15 minute time limit is passed. Agent will download from Usenet all the time. Spybot S&D won't dl new definitions, but it's a low-priority program and I've probably never tried during the first 15 minutes. Thanks a lot for any help you can give.
From: mm on 12 Dec 2009 13:39 On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:29:44 -0500, mm <NOPSAMmm2005(a)bigfoot.com> wrote: >Windows XP-SP3; Web access is only the first 10 or 15 minutes of each >session. BTW, maybe I should have said that I x-posted this to XP General, IE General, and Netscape.public.mozilla.browser. If you care to bring glory to your ng, tell us where you're posting from. :-)
From: rob^_^ on 12 Dec 2009 14:12 Error Messages? Check your Internet Options - General tab, Temporary Internet Files, Settings button. Have you set the storage to 50Mb or greater (see recommendations)? When was the last time you had a Adobe or Shockwave Flash update? (important security updates went out last month). Do you have the GoogleToolbarUpdater.exe in your Windows startup list... Known issue. Uninstall the old version of the Google toolbar and reboot. Then go to toolbar.google.com for the IE8 compatible version. AOL software updates and Quicktime - known to cause problems with IE8 and the Win Startup list. You can disable these two services by adjusting their settings (see their control panels to switch off automatic updates). Most IE8/Win startup problems are caused by 'Updater' services trying to call home when IE is in a different security context. It sounds like your machine is suffering from Windows Bloat. I would be considering a hardware and software upgrade to Win7. I imagine this would take less of your time than trying to turn Mutton to Lamb. Regards. "mm" <NOPSAMmm2005(a)bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:l3m7i55phtq02gs1emhmgdjn4okcspfcad(a)4ax.com... > Windows XP-SP3; Web access is only the first 10 or 15 minutes of each > session. > > > Besides planning to do a repair install on windows XP SP3, I'm also > trying to solve my XP problem one symptom at a time. > > (When my problem first started, it took 15 minutes to start windows, > and when Windows started, it ran 10 times as slow as normal, and it > would not access the web or the rest of the internet. In order to get > this far, I used msconfig.exe and unchecked every Service and every > start-up program. I have rechecked every service except Shell > Hardware Detection and Uninterruptable Power Supply. > In Firefox, I disable every add-on.) > > I have Verizon DSL (which gives me no problem 99.99% of the time when > using win98SE on the same box). > > RIGHT NOW, most of XP works all the time, and at normal speed, and all > or almost all of the rest works some of the time (and at normal > speed). > > SPECIFICALLY, web access works only for the first 10 or 15 minutes > after Windows XP-SP3 has started. This includes IE6 and FF3. The > messages are something like Server not Found, or a blank screen with > the word "done" on the line at the bottom. This includes efforts to > fetch the same url l that I got successfully just a couple minutes > ago. Watching a video on Utube worked, once for 8 minutes, and > another time, when I had done something else first, it only rant for 2 > minutes. Then it just stopped. I could still move the cursor and > click on things which would take me to a blank screen with a new url > in the location box at the top, but nothing will load. > > OTOH, POP email and Usenet work all the time. > > The rest is more examples of programs that do the same sort of thing. > > > Eudora email works all the time, but emails in html which include > graphics that have urls won't download except during those first 10 or > 15 minutes. Emails I look at after that just sit there with blue space > where the graphic is supposed to be. > > Windows updates seem to download, but if it's possible to do so in > multiple windows sessions, that's what's happening. It may be doing > part of the DL in the first 10 minutes of each session. When it > completes the dl, it correctly installs the updates when I exit > Windows. 3 of them last night, several others 4 or 5 days ago. > > From win98, I dl'd a newer release of AVG, but installed it in XP. > It's been able to update its own virus definitions, automatically > yesterday, but when I tried late last night, the dl failed in the > middle. Come to think of it, that had happened several times before, > and I guess it happens when the 10 or 15 minute time limit is passed. > > Agent will download from Usenet all the time. > > Spybot S&D won't dl new definitions, but it's a low-priority program > and I've probably never tried during the first 15 minutes. > > > Thanks a lot for any help you can give. >
From: PA Bear [MS MVP] on 12 Dec 2009 14:12 > It's been able to update its own virus definitions, automatically > yesterday, but when I tried late last night, the dl failed in the > middle. > Spybot S&D won't dl new definitions, Back-up any personal data (none of which should be considered 100% trustworthy at this point) then do a format & clean install of Windows. Please note that a Repair Install (AKA in-place upgrade) will NOT fix this! cf. http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps After the clean install, you'll have the equivalent of a "new computer" so take care of everything on the following page before otherwise connecting the machine to the internet or a network and before using a USB key that isn't brand-new or hasn't been freshly formatted: 5 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/advanced/xppc.mspx Other helpful references include: HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully patched (after a clean install) http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after a clean install) http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b Also see: Steps To Help Prevent Spyware http://www.microsoft.com/security/spyware/prevent.aspx Steps to Help Prevent Computer Worms http://www.microsoft.com/security/worms/prevent.aspx Avoid Rogue Security Software! http://www.microsoft.com/security/antivirus/rogue.aspx mm wrote: > Windows XP-SP3; Web access is only the first 10 or 15 minutes of each > session. > > > Besides planning to do a repair install on windows XP SP3, I'm also > trying to solve my XP problem one symptom at a time. > > (When my problem first started, it took 15 minutes to start windows, > and when Windows started, it ran 10 times as slow as normal, and it > would not access the web or the rest of the internet. In order to get > this far, I used msconfig.exe and unchecked every Service and every > start-up program. I have rechecked every service except Shell > Hardware Detection and Uninterruptable Power Supply. > In Firefox, I disable every add-on.) > > I have Verizon DSL (which gives me no problem 99.99% of the time when > using win98SE on the same box). > > RIGHT NOW, most of XP works all the time, and at normal speed, and all > or almost all of the rest works some of the time (and at normal > speed). > > SPECIFICALLY, web access works only for the first 10 or 15 minutes > after Windows XP-SP3 has started. This includes IE6 and FF3. The > messages are something like Server not Found, or a blank screen with > the word "done" on the line at the bottom. This includes efforts to > fetch the same url l that I got successfully just a couple minutes > ago. Watching a video on Utube worked, once for 8 minutes, and > another time, when I had done something else first, it only rant for 2 > minutes. Then it just stopped. I could still move the cursor and > click on things which would take me to a blank screen with a new url > in the location box at the top, but nothing will load. > > OTOH, POP email and Usenet work all the time. > > The rest is more examples of programs that do the same sort of thing. > > > Eudora email works all the time, but emails in html which include > graphics that have urls won't download except during those first 10 or > 15 minutes. Emails I look at after that just sit there with blue space > where the graphic is supposed to be. > > Windows updates seem to download, but if it's possible to do so in > multiple windows sessions, that's what's happening. It may be doing > part of the DL in the first 10 minutes of each session. When it > completes the dl, it correctly installs the updates when I exit > Windows. 3 of them last night, several others 4 or 5 days ago. > > From win98, I dl'd a newer release of AVG, but installed it in XP. > It's been able to update its own virus definitions, automatically > yesterday, but when I tried late last night, the dl failed in the > middle. Come to think of it, that had happened several times before, > and I guess it happens when the 10 or 15 minute time limit is passed. > > Agent will download from Usenet all the time. > > Spybot S&D won't dl new definitions, but it's a low-priority program > and I've probably never tried during the first 15 minutes. > > > Thanks a lot for any help you can give.
From: mm on 12 Dec 2009 23:28
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 06:12:06 +1100, "rob^_^" <iecustomizer(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Thanks for your detailed answer. >Error Messages? None. After the first 10 minutes or so when it stops working, I get the standard page from IE, "The page cannot be displayed The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings...." Or the video just stops playing, the time elapsed doesn't change anymore; Or in FF#, it just shows "Done" in the bottom line. AVG and Spybot return their own messages that the update failed to complete. Eudora will dl mail, but if an email has embedded files with a url that are supposed to dl separately, no error message. They just stay as blue boxes. >Check your Internet Options - General tab, Temporary Internet Files, >Settings button. Have you set the storage to 50Mb or greater (see >recommendations)? 63 megs. (I don't know how it ended up there, but that's what it is. :) ) >When was the last time you had a Adobe or Shockwave Flash update? (important >security updates went out last month). Not sure. Haven't used Adobe or Shockwave since July. Would it still update? Fop Adobe Flash I have ver 10.0.22.87 You probably don't mean the reader, do you? (I originally dl'd and installed Adobe Reader 9 May 22 of this year. It appears to have been based only on the install file name version 9.1.0. Now I have version 9.1.2. I can update Adobe reader manually, but it has to be the first thing I do when I start XP. ) As to security, I've done full harddrive scans with BitDefender with that day's definitions, SuperAntiSpyware, with that day's definitions AVG with that day's definitions and found only cookies and little things which didn't seem important but nonetheless I deleted everything. I restored from backup one Eudora mailboxe and index, but it's in a separate datar partition and also never gets opened. Is now the right time to do a Repair slipstream install of XP? >Do you have the GoogleToolbarUpdater.exe in your Windows startup list... >Known issue. Uninstall the old version of the Google toolbar and reboot. >Then go to toolbar.google.com for the IE8 compatible version. No special tool bars, just the ones that came with IE6: status bar, standard buttons, address bar, and links. (No added bars in FF3 either.) >AOL software updates and Quicktime - known to cause problems with IE8 and >the Win Startup list. XP came with IE6, and after I installed IE7, I had major problems, so uninstalled it. Everything worked then, and XP worked great for more than a month after that until I had the current problem. I was afraid to install IE8. In both win98SE and XP, Quicktime was not in my startup, but it suddenly appreared in both -- I don't know when. In XP it's been unchecked in Startup in the SCUtility for two weeks now. I never had any AOL programs or software updates in the Startup list or anywhere. ***I see that ctfmon.exe is running. I don't remember what that is. Could that be the problem? > You can disable these two services by adjusting their >settings (see their control panels to switch off automatic updates). OK, I switched off Quicktime updates. >Most IE8/Win startup problems are caused by 'Updater' services trying to >call home when IE is in a different security context. Is this really a start-up problem? All the web programs work for 10 or 15 minutes, and then they stop. I used to have trouble starting but now that I've unchecked, disabled those two Service, Shell Hardware Detection and Uninterruptible Power Supply, it starts as quickly as ever. >It sounds like your machine is suffering from Windows Bloat. Bloat? I don't have many programs installed. 13 (list further down**) And the HD partition has 10 empty gigabytes. There are only two errors in the event viewer per session, both under System, both to do with Zone Alarm, both under S Doesn't it seem strange that the web will work for a while and then stop? >I would be considering a hardware and software upgrade to Win7. I imagine >this would take less of your time than trying to turn Mutton to Lamb. No job right now. Plenty of time but not much money. >Regards. Adobe Reader 9 AVG Firefox3 PowerDesk6 (a windows explorer substitute) Real Player Support Tools Zone Alarm TCC by 4DOS, a DOS emulator with enhanced dos commands Spybot S&D OverDriveMediaConsole (that was supposed to let me read online books from the public library.) QuickTime. And since these problems started, I've installed Malwarebytes AntiMalware SuperAntiSpyware Thanks again. Mike >"mm" <NOPSAMmm2005(a)bigfoot.com> wrote in message >news:l3m7i55phtq02gs1emhmgdjn4okcspfcad(a)4ax.com... >> Windows XP-SP3; Web access is only the first 10 or 15 minutes of each >> session. >> >> >> Besides planning to do a repair install on windows XP SP3, I'm also >> trying to solve my XP problem one symptom at a time. >> >> (When my problem first started, it took 15 minutes to start windows, >> and when Windows started, it ran 10 times as slow as normal, and it >> would not access the web or the rest of the internet. In order to get >> this far, I used msconfig.exe and unchecked every Service and every >> start-up program. I have rechecked every service except Shell >> Hardware Detection and Uninterruptable Power Supply. >> In Firefox, I disable every add-on.) >> >> I have Verizon DSL (which gives me no problem 99.99% of the time when >> using win98SE on the same box). >> >> RIGHT NOW, most of XP works all the time, and at normal speed, and all >> or almost all of the rest works some of the time (and at normal >> speed). >> >> SPECIFICALLY, web access works only for the first 10 or 15 minutes >> after Windows XP-SP3 has started. This includes IE6 and FF3. The >> messages are something like Server not Found, or a blank screen with >> the word "done" on the line at the bottom. This includes efforts to >> fetch the same url l that I got successfully just a couple minutes >> ago. Watching a video on Utube worked, once for 8 minutes, and >> another time, when I had done something else first, it only rant for 2 >> minutes. Then it just stopped. I could still move the cursor and >> click on things which would take me to a blank screen with a new url >> in the location box at the top, but nothing will load. >> >> OTOH, POP email and Usenet work all the time. >> >> The rest is more examples of programs that do the same sort of thing. >> >> >> Eudora email works all the time, but emails in html which include >> graphics that have urls won't download except during those first 10 or >> 15 minutes. Emails I look at after that just sit there with blue space >> where the graphic is supposed to be. >> >> Windows updates seem to download, but if it's possible to do so in >> multiple windows sessions, that's what's happening. It may be doing >> part of the DL in the first 10 minutes of each session. When it >> completes the dl, it correctly installs the updates when I exit >> Windows. 3 of them last night, several others 4 or 5 days ago. >> >> From win98, I dl'd a newer release of AVG, but installed it in XP. >> It's been able to update its own virus definitions, automatically >> yesterday, but when I tried late last night, the dl failed in the >> middle. Come to think of it, that had happened several times before, >> and I guess it happens when the 10 or 15 minute time limit is passed. >> >> Agent will download from Usenet all the time. >> >> Spybot S&D won't dl new definitions, but it's a low-priority program >> and I've probably never tried during the first 15 minutes. >> >> >> Thanks a lot for any help you can give. >> |