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From: Woody on 14 Nov 2009 08:09 Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote: > zoara <me18(a)privacy.net>: > > Pd <peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid> wrote: > >> zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > >> > > Xbox seems to exist in a strange little eddy of competence and > >> > > coolness at Microsoft. Their games are cool, their ads are cool, > >> > > and generally they seem to have avoided the klunky mediocrity that > >> > > is the rest of MS. > >> > > >> > RROD? > >> > >> Hey, I didn't say anything about reliability. > > > > Cool but broken? > > > > (actually, I agree, but am amazed they have remained the "cool choice" > > despite some terrible reliability issues) > > Terrible reliability and also this: > > <URL:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8356621.stm> > > Really, the PS3 seems like the thinking man's choice. Speaking as someone with neither, or that much of an interest in consoles in general, why? If I look I see a large number of PS3s failing too, the thing you quote above probably wont affect most people unless they hack their console and the console seems to be generally twice the price. Why is it the 'thinking mans' choice (of the console world)? -- Woody www.alienrat.com
From: Ben Shimmin on 14 Nov 2009 09:47 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk>: > Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote: [...] >> Really, the PS3 seems like the thinking man's choice. > > Speaking as someone with neither, or that much of an interest in > consoles in general, why? > > If I look I see a large number of PS3s failing too, the thing you quote > above probably wont affect most people unless they hack their console > and the console seems to be generally twice the price. > > Why is it the 'thinking mans' choice (of the console world)? I think I was being at least a little facetious (I don't really equate games consoles with `thinking'), but, for me at least, there are some very obvious advantages to the PS3 over the Xbox 360, the most important of which is that the PS3 has a Blu-Ray drive and works very well as a Blu-Ray player; that was, in fact, my main reason for buying one. Another advantage of the PS3 is gigabit ethernet, which is fairly handy for streaming media over a network -- my secondary reason for buying a PS3. (You can also do this with the Xbox 360, of course.) The PS3 also has a built-in web browser, which gives you access to iPlayer in a fairly convenient way. Lastly, in terms of games, there are at least a few titles available exclusively for the PS3 (Infamous and Metal Gear Solid 4 spring to mind). The converse is probably true as well, though. (Not really an important factor for me.) I would also say that the PS3 is hardly `twice the price' -- the PS3 Slim seems to be about 50GBP more expensive (though it's a bit hard to tell since most shops bundle games with them). b. -- <bas(a)bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/> `Property, marriage, the law; as the bed to the river, so rule and convention to the instinct; and woe to him who tampers with the banks while the flood is flowing.' -- Samuel Butler, _Erewhon_
From: Woody on 14 Nov 2009 13:42 Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote: > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk>: > > Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote: > > [...] > > >> Really, the PS3 seems like the thinking man's choice. > > > > Speaking as someone with neither, or that much of an interest in > > consoles in general, why? > > > > If I look I see a large number of PS3s failing too, the thing you quote > > above probably wont affect most people unless they hack their console > > and the console seems to be generally twice the price. > > > > Why is it the 'thinking mans' choice (of the console world)? > > I think I was being at least a little facetious (I don't really equate > games consoles with `thinking') That is why I added (of the console world)! > but, for me at least, there are some > very obvious advantages to the PS3 over the Xbox 360, the most important > of which is that the PS3 has a Blu-Ray drive and works very well as a > Blu-Ray player; that was, in fact, my main reason for buying one. ok > Another advantage of the PS3 is gigabit ethernet, which is fairly handy > for streaming media over a network -- my secondary reason for buying > a PS3. (You can also do this with the Xbox 360, of course.) I guess it is an advantage if your computer is near the game, or you have a home gigabit network switch. Having said that, with streaming media is there an advantage to gigabit ethernet over 100baseT? I can stream media to my blueray player at full resolution, so I can't see what the gigabit would give me extra. > The PS3 also has a built-in web browser, which gives you access to > iPlayer in a fairly convenient way. ok, I guess if you are laptopless that is an advantage, or want to see it on the telly. Doesn't the XBox do this? I know the Wii now does. > Lastly, in terms of games, there are at least a few titles available > exclusively for the PS3 (Infamous and Metal Gear Solid 4 spring to mind). > The converse is probably true as well, though. (Not really an important > factor for me.) > > I would also say that the PS3 is hardly `twice the price' -- the PS3 Slim > seems to be about 50GBP more expensive (though it's a bit hard to tell > since most shops bundle games with them). Well, I don't know, as I don't follow consoles, but if I look at a the first website I think of (game, as I was in there today), if I look under consoles it says: XBox360 bundles from �139 Sony PS3 bundles from �249 which seems quite a bit of a difference to me. As I say, I don't know what the real price required is, but as a consumer what I see is almost twice the price, and I doubt there is a bias there as I doubt game care what they sell. -- Woody www.alienrat.com
From: Ben Shimmin on 14 Nov 2009 14:52 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk>: > Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote: [snip Blu-Ray] >> Another advantage of the PS3 is gigabit ethernet, which is fairly handy >> for streaming media over a network -- my secondary reason for buying >> a PS3. (You can also do this with the Xbox 360, of course.) > > I guess it is an advantage if your computer is near the game, or you > have a home gigabit network switch. > Having said that, with streaming media is there an advantage to gigabit > ethernet over 100baseT? I can stream media to my blueray player at full > resolution, so I can't see what the gigabit would give me extra. Perhaps you're right. I like to stick to gigabet ethernet or wireless N where possible these days. :) >> The PS3 also has a built-in web browser, which gives you access to >> iPlayer in a fairly convenient way. > > ok, I guess if you are laptopless that is an advantage, or want to see > it on the telly. > Doesn't the XBox do this? I know the Wii now does. The Xbox 360 doesn't have a web browser, so it can't do iPlayer. I think you can probably download the files from iPlayer on your computer and stream them, but that's hardly as convenient. I don't use iPlayer on my computer at all now; watching TV on my TV makes more sense. >> Lastly, in terms of games, there are at least a few titles available >> exclusively for the PS3 (Infamous and Metal Gear Solid 4 spring to mind). >> The converse is probably true as well, though. (Not really an important >> factor for me.) >> >> I would also say that the PS3 is hardly `twice the price' -- the PS3 Slim >> seems to be about 50GBP more expensive (though it's a bit hard to tell >> since most shops bundle games with them). > > Well, I don't know, as I don't follow consoles, but if I look at a the > first website I think of (game, as I was in there today), if I look > under consoles it says: > > XBox360 bundles from ?139 > Sony PS3 bundles from ?249 > > which seems quite a bit of a difference to me. As I say, I don't know > what the real price required is, but as a consumer what I see is almost > twice the price, and I doubt there is a bias there as I doubt game care > what they sell. Hmm, I had a look on Game's web site, and found this page: <URL:http://www.game.co.uk/Consoles/Xbox-360/_/N-1z13fvgZ1z13mmv/> It seems like there are a few different models of the Xbox 360, and that the cheapest one, Arcade, does retail for quite a bit less; however, Wikipedia tells me this one lacks a hard disc (and it looks a bit naff). It seems a little more fair to compare the Elite model, which is closer in price and features to the PS3. For me, the PlayStation 3 has been a revelation -- I get a really decent Blu-Ray player, a games console with some great games (which I struggle to find the time to play), and a media centre capable of effortlessly streaming music, video, and photos from my Mac or from an attached hard disc. There's no other single device on the market which can do all of that, to the best of my knowledge. b. -- <bas(a)bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/> `Property, marriage, the law; as the bed to the river, so rule and convention to the instinct; and woe to him who tampers with the banks while the flood is flowing.' -- Samuel Butler, _Erewhon_
From: Colin Robinson on 15 Nov 2009 06:05
On 12 Nov, 10:11, Noon <n...(a)noon.non> wrote: > So does anyone actually have experience of using a 20" (or even better a > new 21") iMac and can tell me what sort of fps they're getting? Currently playing WoW on a 24" 3.06 GHz with 2 GB memory using 10.6.2 and getting 30-60fps with Video Effects settings at Ultra. Need to get me some more memory as it can drop below that, especially if I've got other apps open. Regards, Colin R. |