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From: Bruce Horrocks on 31 Jul 2010 10:26
http://developer.apple.com is prominently plugging 'Xcode 4 developer
preview' but when I login (via the Mac Dev Center link) to download it,
there is no mention of v4 at all.

Any other registered developers here seeing this or do I have the wrong
membership level?

--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey
England
(bruce at scorecrow dot com)
From: Woody on 31 Jul 2010 11:04
Bruce Horrocks <07.013(a)scorecrow.com> wrote:
> http://developer.apple.com is prominently plugging 'Xcode 4 developer
> preview' but when I login (via the Mac Dev Center link) to download
> it, there is no mention of v4 at all.
>
> Any other registered developers here seeing this or do I have the
> wrong membership level?

Do you have a paid account?

I can get it, although I guess I must be getting old as I don't see the
point getting it until it is not a beta!

--
Woody
From: Chris Ridd on 31 Jul 2010 15:02
On 2010-07-31 16:04:05 +0100, Woody said:

> Bruce Horrocks <07.013(a)scorecrow.com> wrote:
>> http://developer.apple.com is prominently plugging 'Xcode 4 developer
>> preview' but when I login (via the Mac Dev Center link) to download
>> it, there is no mention of v4 at all.
>>
>> Any other registered developers here seeing this or do I have the
>> wrong membership level?
>
> Do you have a paid account?

You need a paid account to get Xcode beta. Freeloaders (like me!) have
to wait until final.

> I can get it, although I guess I must be getting old as I don't see the
> point getting it until it is not a beta!

Shiny newness, better VCS support, yadda yadda. But crazy to risk using
on projects if they make you money.
--
Chris

From: Bruce Horrocks on 31 Jul 2010 17:28
On 31/07/2010 20:02, Chris Ridd wrote:
> On 2010-07-31 16:04:05 +0100, Woody said:
>
>> Bruce Horrocks <07.013(a)scorecrow.com> wrote:
>>> http://developer.apple.com is prominently plugging 'Xcode 4 developer
>>> preview' but when I login (via the Mac Dev Center link) to download
>>> it, there is no mention of v4 at all.
>>>
>>> Any other registered developers here seeing this or do I have the
>>> wrong membership level?
>>
>> Do you have a paid account?
>
> You need a paid account to get Xcode beta. Freeloaders (like me!) have
> to wait until final.

That would be it then. You'd think they would mention it as they must
have rather more freebie registered developers than paid ones?

>> I can get it, although I guess I must be getting old as I don't see the
>> point getting it until it is not a beta!
>
> Shiny newness, better VCS support, yadda yadda. But crazy to risk using
> on projects if they make you money.

Make money? ;-)
--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey
England
(bruce at scorecrow dot com)
From: Sak Wathanasin on 2 Aug 2010 10:59
On 31 July, 15:26, Bruce Horrocks <07....(a)scorecrow.com> wrote:
> http://developer.apple.comis prominently plugging 'Xcode 4 developer
> preview' but when I login (via the Mac Dev Center link) to download it,
> there is no mention of v4 at all.
>
> Any other registered developers here seeing this or do I have the wrong
> membership level?

I can't see where to download it either (and I have a dev account).
Anyway, I hope the "one window for everything" is optional: one of the
things I hate most about about Eclipse, Visual Studio and the like is
that they force you to use a paned interface. It's so wasteful of
screen space, and worse, it's modal.

And OSX has started copying the Windows "click through" model, which
is driving me nuts. it used to be that the first click on a window
would just activate the window and do nothing else; in particular, it
wouldn't move the insertion point or change the selection in the
window. So in the old days, you're typing away, and you go "oh, what's
that address?", switch to contacts (say), find what you want, copy,
click ANYWHERE in the first window, paste, and presto! it goes into
the right place. You don't have to think about it, and I could copy &
paste a bunch of stuff really quickly. Not any more: now you have to
be very careful where in the first window you click, or you'll end up
scrolling the window, zooming it, minimizing it or even closing it
and, more often that not, you'll change the insertion point so you
either paste stuff in the wrong place or have to click again to set
the insertion point.

It's worse if the window you want to paste into is being obscured by
some other window. I guess that's why Windows people like paned
interfaces - it just saddens me to see OSX going down that road.
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