a Great Idea - include Kademlia networking protocol in kernel
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From: hp fk on 2 Aug 2010 08:30 Kademlia protocol is widely used by many p2p applications, if kernel support the Kademlia protocol and its p2p network infrastracture. it will be easier to bring us into a new stage of network with much more freedom and equality. 1.systems could get public identity on network much more easier, and need not depend on DNS system, which usual controled by buraucracy agents. 2. system presence on network is easier to resolved in a dynamic ip environment that many ISPs use to effectively use IP address. and communication could be much easier. 3.many p2p applications could be releaved from building the p2p network infrastracture repeatedly and focus on application features. 4. some restrictions imposed by buraucracy censorship will be breaked and give us much more communication freedom 5. all linux systems could be equal citizens of a unified greate linux p2p network and promote the development of p2p network. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
From: Valeo de Vries on 2 Aug 2010 08:50 On 2 August 2010 13:24, hp fk <fkhp101(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Kademlia protocol is widely used by many p2p applications, if kernel > support the Kademlia protocol and its p2p network infrastracture. it > will be easier to bring us into a new stage of network with much more > freedom and equality. > > 1.systems could get public identity on network much more easier, and > need not depend on DNS system, which usual controled by buraucracy > agents. > 2. system presence on network is easier to resolved in a dynamic ip > environment that many ISPs use to effectively use IP address. and > communication could be much easier. > 3.many p2p applications could be releaved from building the p2p > network infrastracture repeatedly and focus on application features. > 4. some restrictions imposed by buraucracy censorship will be breaked > and give us much more communication freedom > 5. all linux systems could be equal citizens of a unified greate linux > p2p network and promote the development of p2p network. And why exactly can't this be done in userspace? I assume that since you mention IP that (perhaps incorrectly) this protocol uses TCP/UDP on the lower layers... Valeo -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
From: Valdis.Kletnieks on 2 Aug 2010 09:00 On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 20:24:38 +0800, hp fk said: > Kademlia protocol is widely used by many p2p applications, if kernel > support the Kademlia protocol and its p2p network infrastracture. it > will be easier to bring us into a new stage of network with much more > freedom and equality 1) You failed to explain what kernel support, if any, would be needed for this protocol. What does Kademlia do that the current kernel can't handle already? (Hint - if it runs on a Windows system without patching the Windows kernel, it almost certainly doesn't need extensive patches for Linux either). 2) You forgot to cc: netdev(a)vger.kernel.org, which is where all the networking people hang out.
From: hp fk on 2 Aug 2010 10:40 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: hp fk <fkhp101(a)gmail.com> Date: 2010/8/2 Subject: Re: a Great Idea - include Kademlia networking protocol in kernel To: Valdis.Kletnieks(a)vt.edu popular file sharing p2p applications like emule and bittorrent, innovative application like Osiris each has its own Kademlia protocol implementation in userspace presently. the imaginable kernel support needed is to reduce many repeated (different or same) Kademlia protocol implementations running in userspace to a consolidated one at kernel level, so that the Kademlia protocol as a p2p network infrastructure is provided in kernel and any p2p application could just use the interface provided by kernel, thus a great p2p network is easily created, and �applications on that network infrastructure could grow rapidly. 2010/8/2 �<Valdis.Kletnieks(a)vt.edu>: > 1) You failed to explain what kernel support, if any, would be needed for this > protocol. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
From: Damjan Jovanovic on 2 Aug 2010 10:50 If all you want to do is share a Kademlia implementation among applications, it should be in a user-space shared library. This library could also be ported to other operating systems, unlike a Linux-only kernel module that portable applications wouldn't want to use anyway. I think Kademlia only belongs in the kernel if something in the kernel itself needs it. And even then it shouldn't be exported to user space. Damjan Jovanovic On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 4:29 PM, hp fk <fkhp101(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: hp fk <fkhp101(a)gmail.com> > Date: 2010/8/2 > Subject: Re: a Great Idea - include Kademlia networking protocol in kernel > To: Valdis.Kletnieks(a)vt.edu > > > popular file sharing p2p applications like emule and bittorrent, > innovative application like Osiris each has its own Kademlia protocol > implementation in userspace presently. the imaginable kernel support > needed is to reduce many repeated (different or same) Kademlia > protocol implementations running in userspace to a consolidated one at > kernel level, so that the Kademlia protocol as a p2p network > infrastructure is provided in kernel and any p2p application could > just use the interface provided by kernel, thus a great p2p network is > easily created, and �applications on that network infrastructure could > grow rapidly. > > 2010/8/2 �<Valdis.Kletnieks(a)vt.edu>: >> 1) You failed to explain what kernel support, if any, would be needed for this >> protocol. > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo(a)vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at �http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at �http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
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