From: Jiri Kosina on
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010, Ingo Molnar wrote:

> > Well, Paul himself stated that according to their lawyer department,
> > "Copyright" (which is there) is enough. So it made sense to remove invalid
> > (at least in some sense) character.
> >
> > Also zillion of other files copyrighted by Paul contain "Copyright (C)".
> >
> > If we really want this character there then, why not rather in UTF-8, so
> > that it works flawlessly?
>
> It might be fine but i havent seen Paul reply to this thread - and this is my
> point: _you_ should have waited for an ack from Paul (who is co-maintaining
> that file) before applying it. The commit doesnt have it:

I got Pauls reply as "as soon as there is `Copyright', it's fine". If I
misunderstood it, sorry for that, and I'll drop the patch.

Paul, could you please send explicit Acked-by: or Naked-by:, so that
everything is in line?

Thanks,

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From: Harald Arnesen on
Tejun Heo <tj(a)kernel.org> writes:

> On 04/28/2010 08:42 PM, Harald Arnesen wrote:
>> Tejun Heo <tj(a)kernel.org> writes:
>>
>>> The latin-1 copyright character \251 is invalid in ASCII or UTF-8 and
>>> causes annoying problems with some editors and tools. Use (C)
>>> instead.
>>
>> Why do we need anything there at all?
>
> We don't necessarily need it but it's also pretty rude to strip
> other's copyright notices and other entries use (C), so.... :-)

I meant that:

Copyright © somename
Copyright (C) somename
Copyright somename

all have the same legal meaning.
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From: Ingo Molnar on

* Jiri Kosina <jkosina(a)suse.cz> wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Apr 2010, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> > > Well, Paul himself stated that according to their lawyer department,
> > > "Copyright" (which is there) is enough. So it made sense to remove invalid
> > > (at least in some sense) character.
> > >
> > > Also zillion of other files copyrighted by Paul contain "Copyright (C)".
> > >
> > > If we really want this character there then, why not rather in UTF-8, so
> > > that it works flawlessly?
> >
> > It might be fine but i havent seen Paul reply to this thread - and this is my
> > point: _you_ should have waited for an ack from Paul (who is co-maintaining
> > that file) before applying it. The commit doesnt have it:
>
> I got Pauls reply as "as soon as there is `Copyright', it's fine". [...]

If lkml was not Cc:-ed to that reply (which appears to be the case) then it's
worth asking for / waiting for an explicit ack.

> [...] If I misunderstood it, sorry for that, and I'll drop the patch.
>
> Paul, could you please send explicit Acked-by: or Naked-by:, so that
> everything is in line?

And in that case my NAK is moot.

Thanks,

Ingo
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From: Ingo Molnar on

* Jiri Kosina <jkosina(a)suse.cz> wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Tejun Heo wrote:
>
> > The latin-1 copyright character \251 is invalid in ASCII or UTF-8 and
> > causes annoying problems with some editors and tools. Use (C)
> > instead.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Tejun Heo <tj(a)kernel.org>
> > Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus(a)au1.ibm.com>
> > ---
> > I'm not really sure this would survive transport over mail in
> > appliable form, attaching the patch too just in case.
>
> It didn't survive :) But it was easy enough to fix by hand. Applied,
> thanks Tejun.

NAK.

A similar patch was sent a few weeks ago, it was objected to and rejected -
the copyright character was used for legal reasons.

Jiri, in the future please dont apply 'trivial' patches that involve
subsystems that i co-maintain and which is not acked by any of the subsystem
maintainers.

Thanks,

Ingo
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From: Ingo Molnar on

* Jiri Kosina <jkosina(a)suse.cz> wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Apr 2010, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> > > > The latin-1 copyright character \251 is invalid in ASCII or UTF-8 and
> > > > causes annoying problems with some editors and tools. Use (C)
> > > > instead.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Tejun Heo <tj(a)kernel.org>
> > > > Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus(a)au1.ibm.com>
> > > > ---
> > > > I'm not really sure this would survive transport over mail in
> > > > appliable form, attaching the patch too just in case.
> > >
> > > It didn't survive :) But it was easy enough to fix by hand. Applied,
> > > thanks Tejun.
> >
> > NAK.
> >
> > A similar patch was sent a few weeks ago, it was objected to and rejected -
> > the copyright character was used for legal reasons.
>
> Well, Paul himself stated that according to their lawyer department,
> "Copyright" (which is there) is enough. So it made sense to remove invalid
> (at least in some sense) character.
>
> Also zillion of other files copyrighted by Paul contain "Copyright (C)".
>
> If we really want this character there then, why not rather in UTF-8, so
> that it works flawlessly?

It might be fine but i havent seen Paul reply to this thread - and this is my
point: _you_ should have waited for an ack from Paul (who is co-maintaining
that file) before applying it. The commit doesnt have it:

commit 62006c58a9a2d8b72b5b65301965bc444d43e22c
Author: Tejun Heo <tj(a)kernel.org>
Date: Wed Apr 28 11:30:31 2010 +0200

trivial: use (C) instead of \251

The latin-1 copyright character \251 is invalid in ASCII or UTF-8 and
causes annoying problems with some editors and tools. Use (C)
instead.

Signed-off-by: Tejun Heo <tj(a)kernel.org>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus(a)au1.ibm.com>
Signed-off-by: Jiri Kosina <jkosina(a)suse.cz>

We dont just go and change people's copyright notices, no matter how trivial
it may seem ...

Thanks,

Ingo
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