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From: Tejun Heo on 30 Apr 2010 15:00
Hello,

On 04/29/2010 06:57 AM, Paul Mackerras wrote:
> I don't want "(C)" in there because our lawyers tell me that it is
> legally meaningless, but "Copyright" on its own is good enough.

The other lines contain the (C) so if it's not harming, let's leave it
like that. It might be legally meaningless but is textually /
aesthetically meaningful to your fellow coders. :-)

Thanks.

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From: Tejun Heo on 30 Apr 2010 15:20
Hello,

On 04/30/2010 09:55 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> A similar patch was sent a few weeks ago, it was objected to and rejected -
> the copyright character was used for legal reasons.

Paul says that "Copyright" is enough, so what are the legal reasons?

Also, if the copyright designator absolutely has to be there, then can
it be in UTF-8 at least?

Thanks.

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From: Paul Mackerras on 30 Apr 2010 15:30
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:41:33AM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Tejun Heo wrote:
>
> > The latin-1 copyright character \251 is invalid in ASCII or UTF-8 and
> > causes annoying problems with some editors and tools. Use (C)
> > instead.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Tejun Heo <tj(a)kernel.org>
> > Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus(a)au1.ibm.com>
> > ---
> > I'm not really sure this would survive transport over mail in
> > appliable form, attaching the patch too just in case.
>
> It didn't survive :) But it was easy enough to fix by hand. Applied,
> thanks Tejun.

I tried to reply to this earlier but I think my reply vanished due to
a mail problem.

I don't want "(C)" in there because our lawyers tell me that it is
legally meaningless, but "Copyright" on its own is good enough.
So I would prefer that you either remove the (C) entirely or convert
the copyright symbol to proper UTF-8 (0xc2 0xa9).

Thanks,
Paul.
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From: H. Peter Anvin on 30 Apr 2010 18:20
On 04/30/2010 12:59 AM, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On 04/30/2010 09:55 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>> A similar patch was sent a few weeks ago, it was objected to and rejected -
>> the copyright character was used for legal reasons.
>
> Paul says that "Copyright" is enough, so what are the legal reasons?
>
> Also, if the copyright designator absolutely has to be there, then can
> it be in UTF-8 at least?
>
> Thanks.
>

Transcoding to UTF-8 would seem appropriate. On the other hand, I am
most definitely not a lawyer.

-hpa

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From: Paul Mackerras on 30 Apr 2010 20:40
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:04:46AM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2010, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> > > Well, Paul himself stated that according to their lawyer department,
> > > "Copyright" (which is there) is enough. So it made sense to remove invalid
> > > (at least in some sense) character.
> > >
> > > Also zillion of other files copyrighted by Paul contain "Copyright (C)".
> > >
> > > If we really want this character there then, why not rather in UTF-8, so
> > > that it works flawlessly?
> >
> > It might be fine but i havent seen Paul reply to this thread - and this is my
> > point: _you_ should have waited for an ack from Paul (who is co-maintaining
> > that file) before applying it. The commit doesnt have it:
>
> I got Pauls reply as "as soon as there is `Copyright', it's fine". If I
> misunderstood it, sorry for that, and I'll drop the patch.
>
> Paul, could you please send explicit Acked-by: or Naked-by:, so that
> everything is in line?

Nacked-by: Paul Mackerras <paulus(a)samba.org>

Please apply the patch I just sent that changes the encoding to
UTF-8.

I take your point that there are lots of other copyright notices in
the kernel with "(C)", including mine, and I'm not for a moment
suggesting that they are all invalid. Nevertheless, it seems that it
is better to use the proper copyright symbol rather than "(C)" for new
code, so I'd like to keep the copyright symbol here.

Paul.
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