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From: The Natural Philosopher on 23 Dec 2009 17:30 JR wrote: > On Dec 23, 11:39 am, JR <groups_j...(a)yahoo.com.br> wrote: >> On Dec 23, 7:51 am, The Natural Philosopher <t...(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>>> Doug Miller wrote: >>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> I think I dint make myself clear. With js I can fire an evfent handler., >>>>>> set any amount of post variables, and do a submit. I can even submit to >>>>>> a totally different target or spawn a popup window. >>>>>> With strict HTML one button=one vale, >>>>> No. The array of POST variables sent to the server includes all named >>>>> input elements in the form, regardless of how many submit buttons there >>>>> are. >>>> There is no "array of POST variables". >>> Muy Bad, that's how they appear in PHP, of course, but you are perfectly >>> right. >>> The message body of an HTTP POST >>>> request is a string, with a HTML form it is usually >>>> name1=value1&name2=value2 >>>> etc., with names and values URL-encoded. It is only the server-side >>>> application, e.g. PHP, that makes an (associative) array (e.g., >>>> $HTTP_POST_VARS or $_POST) out of it. >>> Correct, as always, Thomas. ;-) >> Correct but irrelevant, since anyway you would need a server-side >> script (PHP, ASP, etc.) to retrieve the data submitted by the client. > > Of course I'm considering that you've told us, from the beginning, > that you are "designing the public facing part of a sales website". > Therefore, you will need a server-side language and a server database > to accomplish that. > ER, he's not the OP: I am, and that's all in place already. Mysql/PHP > Cheers, > JR
From: The Natural Philosopher on 23 Dec 2009 17:31 Doug Miller wrote: > In article <hgsolg$qs5$1(a)news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher <tnp(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> Doug Miller wrote: >>> In article <hgreb8$r8d$1(a)news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher >> <tnp(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> Doug Miller wrote: >>>> I think I dint make myself clear. With js I can fire an evfent handler., >>>> set any amount of post variables, and do a submit. I can even submit to >>>> a totally different target or spawn a popup window. >>>> >>>> With strict HTML one button=one vale, >>> No. The array of POST variables sent to the server includes all named input >>> elements in the form, regardless of how many submit buttons there are. >>> >> You still misunderstand, the action of pressing the button can only, by >> itself, _change_ ONE of them. > > What? > > You have multiple <input> elements in a form, and multiple submit buttons. > Click *any* of the submit buttons, and the values of *all* of the <input> > elements are transmitted to the server. Yes, but they are not changed *by the action of clicking on the button*. >> Whereas an event handler can set up as many from that one button press >> as you care to code for. > > You don't need an event handler to transmit values from a form to a server. >> >>>> and unless I use two forms, one >>>> target URL and no spaewning of windows. >>>> >>>> With a straight URL I can spawn a window, but how to pass variables to >>>> it? Except with 'get' >>>> Cookies? >>> Use POST to pass the values to a server-side script which then generates the >>> code to spawn the new window. This is trivially easy with PHP. >> ? eh? I dont see that. How can I get two windows where only one was >> before! the broswer itself is the only entity that can spawn a new windows. > > Sorry, omitted one thing: target="_blank" attribute in the link.
From: The Natural Philosopher on 23 Dec 2009 17:47 Doug Miller wrote: > In article <hgsolg$qs5$1(a)news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher <tnp(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> Doug Miller wrote: >>> In article <hgreb8$r8d$1(a)news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher >> <tnp(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> Doug Miller wrote: >>>> I think I dint make myself clear. With js I can fire an evfent handler., >>>> set any amount of post variables, and do a submit. I can even submit to >>>> a totally different target or spawn a popup window. >>>> >>>> With strict HTML one button=one vale, >>> No. The array of POST variables sent to the server includes all named input >>> elements in the form, regardless of how many submit buttons there are. >>> >> You still misunderstand, the action of pressing the button can only, by >> itself, _change_ ONE of them. > > What? > > You have multiple <input> elements in a form, and multiple submit buttons. > Click *any* of the submit buttons, and the values of *all* of the <input> > elements are transmitted to the server. Is English your second language? CHANGE one of them. Not SEND one of them. >> Whereas an event handler can set up as many from that one button press >> as you care to code for. > > You don't need an event handler to transmit values from a form to a server. >> >>>> and unless I use two forms, one >>>> target URL and no spaewning of windows. >>>> >>>> With a straight URL I can spawn a window, but how to pass variables to >>>> it? Except with 'get' >>>> Cookies? >>> Use POST to pass the values to a server-side script which then generates the >>> code to spawn the new window. This is trivially easy with PHP. >> ? eh? I dont see that. How can I get two windows where only one was >> before! the broswer itself is the only entity that can spawn a new windows. > > Sorry, omitted one thing: target="_blank" attribute in the link.
From: Doug Miller on 23 Dec 2009 18:00 In article <hgu6mg$8mp$1(a)news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher <tnp(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Doug Miller wrote: >> In article <hgsolg$qs5$1(a)news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher > <tnp(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> Doug Miller wrote: >>>> In article <hgreb8$r8d$1(a)news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher >>> <tnp(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>> Doug Miller wrote: >>>>> I think I dint make myself clear. With js I can fire an evfent handler., >>>>> set any amount of post variables, and do a submit. I can even submit to >>>>> a totally different target or spawn a popup window. >>>>> >>>>> With strict HTML one button=one vale, >>>> No. The array of POST variables sent to the server includes all named input > >>>> elements in the form, regardless of how many submit buttons there are. >>>> >>> You still misunderstand, the action of pressing the button can only, by >>> itself, _change_ ONE of them. >> >> What? >> >> You have multiple <input> elements in a form, and multiple submit buttons. >> Click *any* of the submit buttons, and the values of *all* of the <input> >> elements are transmitted to the server. > >Is English your second language? > >CHANGE one of them. Not SEND one of them. SEND is the normal action when clicking the submit button. Why do you want to CHANGE *any* of them by clicking the *submit* button? It seems you are a little confused about how forms operate.
From: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn on 23 Dec 2009 19:18
Doug Miller wrote: > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> Doug Miller wrote: >>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>>> Doug Miller wrote: >>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> I think I dint make myself clear. With js I can fire an evfent >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>> handler., set any amount of post variables, and do a submit. I can >>>>>> even >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>> submit to a totally different target or spawn a popup window. >>>>>> >>>>>> With strict HTML one button=one vale, >>>>> No. The array of POST variables sent to the server includes all named >>>>> input elements in the form, regardless of how many submit buttons >>>>> there are. >>>> There is no "array of POST variables". >>> From the perspective of a server-side script, there certainly is (e.g. >>> $_POST in PHP). >> >>The perspective was not any server-side application here. > > Actually, yes it was, since the OP was asking how to accomplish a task > *without* using javascript, and my discussion with him described in a > general way how to manage it using server-side scripting. You are wrong, read again. (I had already marked the important part, how could you miss it twice?) >>>> The message body of an HTTP POST >>>> request is a string, with a HTML form it is usually >>>> >>>> name1=value1&name2=value2 >>>> >>>> etc., with names and values URL-encoded. It is only the server-side >>>> application, e.g. PHP, that makes an (associative) array (e.g., >>>> $HTTP_POST_VARS or $_POST) out of it. >>> I'm afraid you've missed the point altogether, which is that I was >>> correcting the previous poster's misapprehension that only one value >>> could be transmitted per submit button. >> No, I did notice that. Your answer was partially wrong anyway (as the >> question was completely wrong). > > Wrong in what way, pray tell? "The array of POST variables sent to the server ..." PointedEars -- Danny Goodman's books are out of date and teach practices that are positively harmful for cross-browser scripting. -- Richard Cornford, cljs, <cife6q$253$1$8300dec7(a)news.demon.co.uk> (2004) |