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On 07 Nov 2009 21:10:59 GMT, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

>David J Taylor <david-taylor(a)blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
>>> David J Taylor
>>>>"Charles" <charlesschuler(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>
>>>>> Very positive!
>>>>
>>>>Live View and no swivel finder - what an omission considering the price.
>>>
>>> Your pet feature isn't considered useful by a lot of people.
>>
>>Not a feature I use often, but one which adds considerably to the value of
>>Live View. A disappointing omission, IMHO.
>
>Other people consider durability to be more important. A swivel
>finder is a signifant weak point in any camera.

So says the pretend-photographer role-playing troll that doesn't realize
how they are even used, most likely never used one himself, if he ever use
any camera at all. They are only swung out from the camera and reversed to
the viewer when needed. Otherwise they fold flat against the camera and
lock in place. Especially nice are the ones where the LCD faces the camera
body when folded flat for storage while you are using the EVF. Then not
even the more delicate LCD screen is prone to nose-oil, dust, fingerprints,
scratches, or impacts. Though, I must admit, the LCD screen on an older
Sony camera (reticulated body mounted with the LCD) which can't be folded
away from the user is remarkably durable. It's been in sandstorms, survived
a tumble down a tailings-pile from the top of a mountain mine when
documenting quartz mining (while I tried to protect is as well as I could
as I went along for the ride). Another time it went along a controlled-fall
descent while I slid down a terminal-moraine when photographing glacier
habitats. Part of the AR coating eventually wore off in small part of a
corner outside the useful viewing area over the years of use, that corner
being under the side of the thumb where it makes normal contact. But not
one scratch on the LCD screen itself after 7 years of heavy use in harsh
and rugged environments. I sometimes wonder if it wasn't covered with a
quartz window. It'd be about the only thing that could account for its
robust durability.



From: Charles on

"Charles" <charlesschuler(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Very positive!


Now, as to the auto-focus issues that some users are reporting. I think:

1/ Most of them are due to a misunderstanding of how this camera functions.
2/ There is a real problem for others (perhaps a minority) who know what
they are doing.
3/ Canon fessed up to the ghosting issue ... will they (can they) correct
the AF issue, given that it is a real issue? The 7D has a separate AF
processor (as far as I can tell) and that leads one to believe that a
firmware update can fix that nasty AF issue. However, it could be a
mechanical tolerance issue, and that could be unfortunate for early buyers.

Kudos to Canon for advancing a stunning new camera. It really is. Now, we
must wait to see if they can fine tune it so as to please most of us.


From: David J Taylor on

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
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> And since the camera is intended for people who make heavy use of a
> camera it would be considered by most to be a significant liability to
> have such a weak point.

People will make their own choice, I can't speak for "most" people.

>> although as you can park the swivel finder with
>>its screen against the camera body rather than being exposed,
>
> Then it becomes just what Canon is selling except that it would cost a
> lot more and make the camera much bigger and less durable.

Nikon can make a swivel finder without any great increase in size or cost,
and I'm sure that Canon could too. I expect we'll see a swivel finder in
a future version.

Cheers,
David

From: Ray Fischer on
David J Taylor <david-taylor(a)blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message

>> And since the camera is intended for people who make heavy use of a
>> camera it would be considered by most to be a significant liability to
>> have such a weak point.
>
>People will make their own choice, I can't speak for "most" people.

Then don't try. If you want a swivel screen then there are many P&S
cameras that have them.

>>> although as you can park the swivel finder with
>>>its screen against the camera body rather than being exposed,
>>
>> Then it becomes just what Canon is selling except that it would cost a
>> lot more and make the camera much bigger and less durable.
>
>Nikon can make a swivel finder without any great increase in size or cost,

How would you know?

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer(a)sonic.net

From: David J Taylor on
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
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> Then don't try. If you want a swivel screen then there are many P&S
> cameras that have them.

... and an increasing number of DSLRs, for example:

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sonydslra550/page2.asp
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond5000/page2.asp

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>>Nikon can make a swivel finder without any great increase in size or
>>cost,
>
> How would you know?

By comparing Nikon's range of recent DSLRs

Cheers,
David