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From: Daave on 27 Jul 2010 20:40
Peter wrote:
> On 07/27/2010 07:52 PM, Twayne wrote:
>> Wrong, wrong and wrong. You do NOT "own" the software. It remains the
>> property of Microsoft. You only have a "license" to use ONE
>> instance of the program/s at a time on ONE computer. You can not
>> have two installations of XP without having at least two licenses
>> for it.
>
> So, you're saying cloning a drive to another drive as a back up is a
> no no?

Presumably, if it's a clone, it's not being used if the original hard
drive is still being used. And if you swap the drives, then the original
drive is no longer being used. AFAIK, the EULA allows for the swapping
of drives in this fashion ad infinitum. Or alternating booting from two
(or more) bootable drives. If you place the cloned drive in another PC
that does not have a license to run that particular OS (and booted off
that cloned drive), then that would clearly be a breach of the
agreement.


From: Twayne on 28 Jul 2010 22:04
In news:i2nr8g$skt$1(a)speranza.aioe.org,
Peter <nospam(a)nospam.com.invalid> typed:
> On 07/27/2010 07:52 PM, Twayne wrote:
>> Wrong, wrong and wrong. You do NOT "own" the software. It
>> remains the property of Microsoft. You only have a
>> "license" to use ONE instance of the program/s at a time
>> on ONE computer. You can not have two installations of XP
>> without having at least two licenses for it.
>
> So, you're saying cloning a drive to another drive as a
> back up is a no no? Are you also saying that the EULA sets
> a time limit on how long you can test a clone to make sure
> it got cloned properly? Or, are you saying you can't have
> two installs of XP on two different machines with only one
> license? Or you can't dual boot from one XP hard drive with
> another? What *are* you saying?

Nope! Got my tongue in front of my eye teeth & didn't see the OP correctly.
Sorry. Reading the EULA is still the best route, though: It says you can
create ONE backup disk in most cases, but I don't have time to read the
specific OS EULA right now. The OS EULA and say the Office EULA are
different, so a read of it would be necessary in this case. Like, does it
say CD and not HD?
OTOH, what could it hurt, as long as it was never used in a different
machine other than has already been discussed here? It gets down to being
pretty picky setting HD vs CD unless the EULA specifically defines
something, so ... that's where I'd go.



>
>> You need to read your EULA.
>
> Been there, done that, wore out the T-Shirt. It's mainly
> about what you they don't want you to do with what you
> bought and how MS bears no responsibility, yada, yada, yada.
>
>> So, no, you do NOT own t wth every right of ownership;
>> Microsoft owns it! You only license it from them. You can
>> use it only exactly as specified in the EULA (End User
>> LIcense Agreement). HTH,
>>
>> Twayne`
>
> You mean you only *may* use it only exactly as specified in
> the EULA. What you *can* do with it is another story.

lol, maybe so in the classroom! If it's MS saying it, they are telling you
what you CAN do with it. You MAY NOT do anything else<g>. It's like
participles; sometimes it's hard to not use a participle without it hanging,
on the end, of a sentence, about something, sort of. lol

HTH,

Twayne`


From: Eddie on 29 Jul 2010 08:28

> Wrong, wrong and wrong. You do NOT "own" the software. It remains the
> property of Microsoft. You only have a "license" to use ONE instance of the
> program/s at a time on ONE computer. You can not have two installations of
> XP without having at least two licenses for it.
> You need to read your EULA.
> So, no, you do NOT own t wth every right of ownership; Microsoft owns it!
> You only license it from them. You can use it only exactly as specified in
> the EULA (End User LIcense Agreement).
>
> HTH,
>
> Twayne`
>

So, does that mean I can't use it (cd) as a frisbee or for skeet
shootin'? I guess not because that would mean I altered the content.
I wonder if micro has ownership of the cd or the content.

Ed

From: Do Dah Zippity on 29 Jul 2010 08:37

: >
:
: So, does that mean I can't use it (cd) as a frisbee or for skeet
: shootin'? I guess not because that would mean I altered the content.
: I wonder if micro has ownership of the cd or the content.
:
: Ed

It means you are a high-ranking HoopleHead.


From: Peter Taylor on 29 Jul 2010 09:34
On 7/29/2010 4:04 AM, Twayne wrote:

>> You mean you only *may* use it only exactly as specified in
>> the EULA. What you *can* do with it is another story.
>
> lol, maybe so in the classroom! If it's MS saying it, they are telling you
> what you CAN do with it. You MAY NOT do anything else<g>. It's like
> participles; sometimes it's hard to not use a participle without it hanging,
> on the end, of a sentence, about something, sort of. lol
>
> HTH,
>
> Twayne`
>
>

For example, if you want to have the same XP license on two different
computers, all you have to do is wait 120 days after the first install
was activated and then you can install it on another machine and it will
activate, become genuine, etc. The EULA says you *may* not do that but
in practice, you *can*. The same thing is true with Office. It doesn't
matter if the license is OEM or Retail. The only time you would would
have a problem is if the license is a branded OEM from the likes of
Acer, HP or Dell.

--
Peter Taylor
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