Adding Other Boot's Computer Name to list of File Security Locations?
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From: Larry Lindstrom on 6 Jun 2010 06:56 Hi Folks: I'm still not having luck giving my Win7/64's account access to my XP account's private folders and files on the same dual boot machine. I hoped giving both boots the same computer name and both accounts the same name might allow me to get away with it. But that hasn't worked. When I open the folder's Properties - Security - Add (Group or user names) I'm asked to select a location. But the only location available is the active (XP) boot's computer name. Even if I use a different name for the Win7 boot, how can I add it to this list? I hope adding the other boot's computer name to the list will be the first step in allowing me to share these private files. I'd prefer to have both boots use the same computer name, but it's OK if I need to use a different name when running Wini7. Thanks Larry
From: Tim Meddick on 6 Jun 2010 17:55 If you boot into an Administrator-level account in your Win7 OS - you *should* have complete access to all files / folders on the XP drive / partition! However, if not then try the following.... First boot to XP Then open Explorer at the root of drive [c:] Right-click on the [c:] drive and choose "Properties" from the menu. Click on the "Security" tab in "(C:) Properties" Click on the "Advanced" button. Locate in the user-list the user named "Everyone" (if there is not an entry named "Everyone" then create one using the "Add" button). Give the user "Everyone" Full-Control (i.e. double-click on the "Everyone" item in the user-list and chackmark the box named "Full Control") Make sure you change the "Apply onto" box is changed to apply to "This folder, subfolders and files" Press [ok] to exit. It will take a few moments for the permissions to be re-set on the entire drive. Re-boot into Win7 and the entire XP drive will be completely accessible to you. == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) "Larry Lindstrom" <larryl_turbo(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:hufuti$s5i$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Hi Folks: > > I'm still not having luck giving my Win7/64's account access to my XP > account's private folders and files on the same dual boot machine. > > I hoped giving both boots the same computer name and both accounts the > same name might allow me to get away with it. But that hasn't worked. > > When I open the folder's Properties - Security - Add (Group or user > names) I'm asked to select a location. But the only location available > is the active (XP) boot's computer name. Even if I use a different name > for the Win7 boot, how can I add it to this list? > > I hope adding the other boot's computer name to the list will be the > first step in allowing me to share these private files. > > I'd prefer to have both boots use the same computer name, but it's OK > if I need to use a different name when running Wini7. > > Thanks > Larry
From: Larry Lindstrom on 6 Jun 2010 20:17 On 6/6/2010 2:55 PM, Tim Meddick wrote: > If you boot into an Administrator-level account in your Win7 OS - you > *should* have complete access to all files / folders on the XP drive / > partition! > > However, if not then try the following.... > > First boot to XP > > Then open Explorer at the root of drive [c:] > > Right-click on the [c:] drive and choose "Properties" from the menu. > > Click on the "Security" tab in "(C:) Properties" > > Click on the "Advanced" button. > > Locate in the user-list the user named "Everyone" (if there is not an > entry named "Everyone" then create one using the "Add" button). > > Give the user "Everyone" Full-Control (i.e. double-click on the > "Everyone" item in the user-list and chackmark the box named "Full > Control") > > Make sure you change the "Apply onto" box is changed to apply to "This > folder, subfolders and files" > > Press [ok] to exit. > > It will take a few moments for the permissions to be re-set on the > entire drive. > > Re-boot into Win7 and the entire XP drive will be completely accessible > to you. > > == > > Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) > > > > > "Larry Lindstrom" <larryl_turbo(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:hufuti$s5i$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> Hi Folks: >> >> I'm still not having luck giving my Win7/64's account access to my XP >> account's private folders and files on the same dual boot machine. >> >> I hoped giving both boots the same computer name and both accounts the >> same name might allow me to get away with it. But that hasn't worked. >> >> When I open the folder's Properties - Security - Add (Group or user >> names) I'm asked to select a location. But the only location available >> is the active (XP) boot's computer name. Even if I use a different >> name for the Win7 boot, how can I add it to this list? >> >> I hope adding the other boot's computer name to the list will be the >> first step in allowing me to share these private files. >> >> I'd prefer to have both boots use the same computer name, but it's OK >> if I need to use a different name when running Wini7. Thanks Tim: I understand, and I can do that. But these are private files. I want only my account on XP and my account on the Win 7/64 boot to have full access to these files. The computer has the same name and workgroup, and no domain, for each boot. My account name is the same for each boot. Under XP the folder's security is set to allow full access to "larryl" on "DRAGON". But when I re-boot to Win 7 as "larryl" on a computer named "DRAGON" I'm told I don't have access to those files. While I'd like to keep both boot's named "DRAGON", I've tried calling the Win7 boot "DRAGON_64", but attempting to add "DRAGON_64" for that folder's Properties - Security - Add - Location. But DRAGON_64 isn't a choice I'm offered. So, is there some method to allow larryl on a Win7 boot that calls this computer "DRAGON" to have the full access to larryl's private files created on the XP boot? I appreciate your attempt to help me. Thanks Larry
From: Tim Meddick on 7 Jun 2010 14:16 The fact you gave both OSs the same username / domain is irrelevant. A username on a NT-based Windows OS, is, in effect, a friendly name. For instance, My full username is "Tim" but if you look in the registry, the computer knows me as user : S-1-5-21-1957994488-1004336348-682003330-1003 ....a unique ID!! Stands to reason doesn't it? As if there were no unique ID assigned to simple user names, then everyone connected to a network who happened to have the same username would be able to access each other's files!!! Is your Win7 account an administrator-level account? If so, and you still can't gain access to the XP files, then do as I first suggested, but instead of adding "Everyone" add "Administrators" (that's Administrators NOT Administrator) to the users granted access from the root of [c:] drive. That way, normal users should not be able to gain access to the "private" files, but as an admin-level user - you would! By default, all files and folders on an XP drive, should have granted access to the Administrators group, but if one has "made this folder private" then I guess that the Administrators group may have been removed from the granted user-list. == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) "Larry Lindstrom" <larryl_turbo(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:huhdqp$ap5$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On 6/6/2010 2:55 PM, Tim Meddick wrote: >> If you boot into an Administrator-level account in your Win7 OS - you >> *should* have complete access to all files / folders on the XP drive / >> partition! >> >> However, if not then try the following.... >> >> First boot to XP >> >> Then open Explorer at the root of drive [c:] >> >> Right-click on the [c:] drive and choose "Properties" from the menu. >> >> Click on the "Security" tab in "(C:) Properties" >> >> Click on the "Advanced" button. >> >> Locate in the user-list the user named "Everyone" (if there is not an >> entry named "Everyone" then create one using the "Add" button). >> >> Give the user "Everyone" Full-Control (i.e. double-click on the >> "Everyone" item in the user-list and chackmark the box named "Full >> Control") >> >> Make sure you change the "Apply onto" box is changed to apply to "This >> folder, subfolders and files" >> >> Press [ok] to exit. >> >> It will take a few moments for the permissions to be re-set on the >> entire drive. >> >> Re-boot into Win7 and the entire XP drive will be completely accessible >> to you. >> >> == >> >> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) >> >> >> >> >> "Larry Lindstrom" <larryl_turbo(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:hufuti$s5i$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> Hi Folks: >>> >>> I'm still not having luck giving my Win7/64's account access to my XP >>> account's private folders and files on the same dual boot machine. >>> >>> I hoped giving both boots the same computer name and both accounts the >>> same name might allow me to get away with it. But that hasn't worked. >>> >>> When I open the folder's Properties - Security - Add (Group or user >>> names) I'm asked to select a location. But the only location available >>> is the active (XP) boot's computer name. Even if I use a different >>> name for the Win7 boot, how can I add it to this list? >>> >>> I hope adding the other boot's computer name to the list will be the >>> first step in allowing me to share these private files. >>> >>> I'd prefer to have both boots use the same computer name, but it's OK >>> if I need to use a different name when running Wini7. > > Thanks Tim: > > I understand, and I can do that. > > But these are private files. I want only my account on XP and my > account on the Win 7/64 boot to have full access to these files. > > The computer has the same name and workgroup, and no domain, for each > boot. My account name is the same for each boot. > > Under XP the folder's security is set to allow full access to "larryl" > on "DRAGON". But when I re-boot to Win 7 as "larryl" on a computer named > "DRAGON" I'm told I don't have access to those files. > > While I'd like to keep both boot's named "DRAGON", I've tried calling > the Win7 boot "DRAGON_64", but attempting to add "DRAGON_64" for that > folder's Properties - Security - Add - Location. > > But DRAGON_64 isn't a choice I'm offered. > > So, is there some method to allow larryl on a Win7 boot that calls > this computer "DRAGON" to have the full access to larryl's private files > created on the XP boot? > > I appreciate your attempt to help me. > > Thanks > Larry
From: Larry Lindstrom on 8 Jun 2010 05:32
On 6/7/2010 11:16 AM, Tim Meddick wrote: > The fact you gave both OSs the same username / domain is irrelevant. > > A username on a NT-based Windows OS, is, in effect, a friendly name. > > For instance, My full username is "Tim" but if you look in the registry, > the computer knows me as user : > S-1-5-21-1957994488-1004336348-682003330-1003 > > ...a unique ID!! Stands to reason doesn't it? As if there were no unique > ID assigned to simple user names, then everyone connected to a network > who happened to have the same username would be able to access each > other's files!!! Thanks again Tim: That does make sense, which is probably the reason your following suggestion isn't working. :) > Is your Win7 account an administrator-level account? Yes. > If so, and you still can't gain access to the XP files, then do as I > first suggested, but instead of adding "Everyone" add "Administrators" > (that's Administrators NOT Administrator) to the users granted access > from the root of [c:] drive. I did, and that doesn't work either. Probably for the same reason simple user names don't work. I'm guessing the "Administrators" group on the XP boot has a different SID from "Administrators" on the Win7 boot. Otherwise, it would be setting itself up for the same vulnerability you describe above. All "Administrators" group users of that computer would have access to all files of any computer that grant access to "Administrators". When setting up file permissions, with <Properties - Security - Add - From this location - Add>. The only location is "DRAGON". I'm guessing this identifies a computer. For some reason my other XP, a MediaCenter PC, "TFA", is not in the list of locations, even though it is available in Window Explore "My Network Places". Just curious, how would I get "TFA", the other PC's name, in that location list. That's why the subject for this thread is what it is. Perhaps I misunderstand the purpose of the location list. If I can get the Win7 Boot computer referenced in the locations list, is that a first step in granting these permissions? As stated, I appreciate your assistance. Thanks Larry |