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From: Robert Myers on 13 Nov 2009 20:12 On Nov 13, 6:06 pm, "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <ag-n...(a)patten-glew.net> wrote: > Perhaps not forbidden. Very strongly discouraged. VERY strongly > discouraged. I remember a comment here by an Intel employee that just cut through so much BS. It explained so many things in just a few words, but I suppose it was also very revealing of what Intel was concerned about at the time. I wonder how much he paid for that gem of a comment. Or maybe it was ok. Who knows. All he did was to point out what really mattered in all the smoke that was pouring out of the Intel marketing machine. I wish there were more of that. Can't remember hearing any more from that particular employee here. Robert.
From: Del Cecchi on 14 Nov 2009 00:22 "Mayan Moudgill" <mayan(a)bestweb.net> wrote in message news:4qednYDST8vPbGDXnZ2dnUVZ_r2onZ2d(a)bestweb.net... > Andy "Krazy" Glew wrote: >> Noob wrote: >> >>> Andy "Krazy" Glew wrote: >>> >>>> I'm so glad that I'm out of Intel. I was starving, >>>> intellectually, >>>> technically. Even just being able to post to comp.arch is >>>> liberating. >>> >>> >>> Are Intel employees forbidden to post to Usenet? >>> >>> Even when they speak for themselves? >>> >>> Is Intel afraid they might leak trade secrets? >>> Or, worse, clarify a patent claim? ;-) >>> >>> Regards. >> >> >> Perhaps not forbidden. Very strongly discouraged. VERY strongly >> discouraged. > > Also, Andy was not in Intel R&D; it might be different there. At > IBM, T.J. Watson was quite different from the product organizations; > there used to be a lot more people on Usenet from there. That is because watson research had the only news server in the company for a long time and you had to jump through hoops to get through the firewall as well if you weren't in research division. But if you did you could post. And nobody ever said anything to me about it. Besides IBM had an internal system of forums that pretty much filled the needs of the internal folks, "in the divisions" as the phrase went. Dave Chess was the guy for those as I recall. del
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler on 14 Nov 2009 12:42 "Del Cecchi" <delcecchiofthenorth(a)gmail.com> writes: > That is because watson research had the only news server in the > company for a long time and you had to jump through hoops to get > through the firewall as well if you weren't in research division. But > if you did you could post. And nobody ever said anything to me about > it. > Besides IBM had an internal system of forums that pretty much filled > the needs of the internal folks, "in the divisions" as the phrase > went. Dave Chess was the guy for those as I recall. > del one of the virtual machine based commercial time-sharing service bureaus (tymshare) had developed online computer conferencing ... and made a "VMSHARE" service free to the SHARE (ibm user group) organization in Aug76 (predating usenet). archives: http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/ I got to dialin/access directly ... some old photos of one of my home offices (over the years), cdi minitterm, fiche viewer, corporate phone (at home) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#oldpict a lot of this was easy in the bay area ... sjr, disk division, stl (database and language development), pa science center, consolidate us hone datacenter, lots of customers, tymshare, monthly user group meetings at SLAC. I was allowed to visit and/or help at around the area. Periodically there was joke about four shift workweek, 1st shift in sjr, 2nd shift getting to play disk engineer in bldgs 14&15, 3rd shift in stl, and 4th shift/weekends at hone. I also made a deal with tymshare to get monthly tape dump of all files. I put them up on sjr vm system and HONE system ... and also offered other locations on the internal network the monthly updates. in the process of deploying other places internally ... somebody asked me what made me think that I could convince HONE to host a copy of the VMSHARE files (HONE was world-wide sales & marketing support applications hosts on virtual machine systems ... originally cp67 and then migrated to vm370). I reminded them that one of my hobbies for nearly the whole time HONE had been in existance was building and supporting highly enhanced virtual machine systems for hone (in the early days of propogating hone clones around the world ... i even did some of the installas personally). misc. past posts mentioning hone http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone the bigger problem i had was dealing with lawyers who raised issues like if allowing internal corporate employees to read what customers were writting, might corrupt the employees. i also got blamed for computer conferencing on the internal network during this period. corporate hdqtrs eventually did investigation and somewhat outcome of that was TOOLSRUN EXEC and officially sanctioned computer conferencing (with moderators that would terminate unauthorized discussions). site could set up toolsrun and host specific discussion groups. ytk setup early IBMVM (& VMTOOLS) and then later IBMPC (& pctools). it was possible for individuals to subscribe to toolsrun .... effectively mailing list (listserv-like) mode. it was also possible for other sites to setup toolsrun and operate their own discussion groups. it was also possible to configure toolsrun for distributed operation (i.e. much more like usenet with local copies). (at least) endicott set up VMPERF (for vm performance) and raleight setup IBMCOMM (communication). The "high-speed" (56kbit) networking discussion announcement mentioned in this recent post http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#59 MasPar compiler and simulator was IBMCOMM. sjr did put in the original corporate gateway to csnet ... announcement http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/internet.htm#email821022 in this post http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/internet.htm#0 later awd (workstation divison) in austin had its own usenet feed. after leaving in '92, i did a gig for a usenet satellite feed, writing drivers for their modem ... for windows, dos, and a couple unixes .... and co-authored article that appeared in boardwatch (BBS) magazine .... so got a "free" (full) usenet satellite feed to my house (downlink only ... when i posted, i had to do have telephone connection). -- 40+yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970
From: Del Cecchi on 14 Nov 2009 14:29 "Anne & Lynn Wheeler" <lynn(a)garlic.com> wrote in message news:m34ooxm293.fsf(a)garlic.com... > > "Del Cecchi" <delcecchiofthenorth(a)gmail.com> writes: >> That is because watson research had the only news server in the >> company for a long time and you had to jump through hoops to get >> through the firewall as well if you weren't in research division. >> But >> if you did you could post. And nobody ever said anything to me >> about >> it. >> Besides IBM had an internal system of forums that pretty much >> filled >> the needs of the internal folks, "in the divisions" as the phrase >> went. Dave Chess was the guy for those as I recall. >> del > > one of the virtual machine based commercial time-sharing service > bureaus > (tymshare) had developed online computer conferencing ... and made a > "VMSHARE" service free to the SHARE (ibm user group) organization in > Aug76 (predating usenet). archives: > http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/ > > I got to dialin/access directly ... some old photos of one of my > home offices (over the years), cdi minitterm, fiche viewer, > corporate > phone (at home) > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#oldpict > > a lot of this was easy in the bay area ... sjr, disk division, stl > (database and language development), pa science center, consolidate > us > hone datacenter, lots of customers, tymshare, monthly user group > meetings at SLAC. I was allowed to visit and/or help at around the > area. Periodically there was joke about four shift workweek, 1st > shift > in sjr, 2nd shift getting to play disk engineer in bldgs 14&15, 3rd > shift in stl, and 4th shift/weekends at hone. > > I also made a deal with tymshare to get monthly tape dump of all > files. > I put them up on sjr vm system and HONE system ... and also offered > other locations on the internal network the monthly updates. in the > process of deploying other places internally ... somebody asked me > what > made me think that I could convince HONE to host a copy of the > VMSHARE > files (HONE was world-wide sales & marketing support applications > hosts > on virtual machine systems ... originally cp67 and then migrated to > vm370). I reminded them that one of my hobbies for nearly the whole > time HONE had been in existance was building and supporting highly > enhanced virtual machine systems for hone (in the early days of > propogating hone clones around the world ... i even did some of the > installas personally). misc. past posts mentioning hone > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone > > the bigger problem i had was dealing with lawyers who raised issues > like > if allowing internal corporate employees to read what customers were > writting, might corrupt the employees. > > i also got blamed for computer conferencing on the internal network > during this period. corporate hdqtrs eventually did investigation > and > somewhat outcome of that was TOOLSRUN EXEC and officially sanctioned > computer conferencing (with moderators that would terminate > unauthorized > discussions). site could set up toolsrun and host specific > discussion > groups. ytk setup early IBMVM (& VMTOOLS) and then later IBMPC (& > pctools). it was possible for individuals to subscribe to toolsrun > ... effectively mailing list (listserv-like) mode. it was also > possible > for other sites to setup toolsrun and operate their own discussion > groups. it was also possible to configure toolsrun for distributed > operation (i.e. much more like usenet with local copies). (at least) > endicott set up VMPERF (for vm performance) and raleight setup > IBMCOMM > (communication). The "high-speed" (56kbit) networking discussion > announcement mentioned in this recent post > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#59 MasPar compiler and > simulator > > was IBMCOMM. > > sjr did put in the original corporate gateway to csnet ... > announcement > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/internet.htm#email821022 > in this post > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/internet.htm#0 > > later awd (workstation divison) in austin had its own usenet feed. > > after leaving in '92, i did a gig for a usenet satellite feed, > writing > drivers for their modem ... for windows, dos, and a couple unixes > ... and co-authored article that appeared in boardwatch (BBS) > magazine > ... so got a "free" (full) usenet satellite feed to my house > (downlink > only ... when i posted, i had to do have telephone connection). > > -- > 40+yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since > Mar1970 Yes. Austin had a news server, which I thought was a satellite to Hawnews but may have been independent. Rochester also had one, starting somewhat later, until the guy that maintained it retired or got RA'd. You had to have an austin or awd account to access the austin server. As I recall, most of the toolsrun thing was master slave, with a master usually in YKT and the shadows (slaves) remote, along with references to the scifi "7 princes in amber" or something like that. Reading was done from the local shadow. posting went to the master and was reflected back to the shadow. del
From: "Andy "Krazy" Glew" on 14 Nov 2009 23:54
Mayan Moudgill wrote: > Andy "Krazy" Glew wrote: >> Noob wrote: >> >>> Andy "Krazy" Glew wrote: >>> >>>> I'm so glad that I'm out of Intel. I was starving, intellectually, >>>> technically. Even just being able to post to comp.arch is liberating. >>> >>> >>> Are Intel employees forbidden to post to Usenet? >>> >>> Even when they speak for themselves? >>> >>> Is Intel afraid they might leak trade secrets? >>> Or, worse, clarify a patent claim? ;-) >>> >>> Regards. >> >> >> Perhaps not forbidden. Very strongly discouraged. VERY strongly >> discouraged. > > Also, Andy was not in Intel R&D; it might be different there. At IBM, > T.J. Watson was quite different from the product organizations; there > used to be a lot more people on Usenet from there. I was in Intel R&D 1995-2001. In 1995 I helped set up Intel's Microprocessor Research Labs: I was the first manager of the Oregon computer architecture research group, for a year before I went back to school to try to get my Ph.D. (which I gave up when my daughter was born). The rest of my career at Intel was spent in product groups, although from 2005-2009 I was in Advanced Development. |