Are Electric Fields Distrorted By Gravity?
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From: Androcles on 3 Aug 2010 20:50 "dlzc" <dlzc1(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:38f3bdfe-d64a-4a35-b1a4-a0a2e70eafd7(a)t5g2000prd.googlegroups.com... Dear Henry Wilson DSc: On Aug 3, 2:30 pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote: > Since gravitation exerts a force on both > matter and light, might it not also affect > electric and magnetic fields directly? Gravitation does not exert a *force* on matter or light. =================================== Smiffytation is not the art of saying what things do. > If so, might it not follow that the > artificial distortion of an electric or > magnetic field should give rise to a > gravitational force? Gravitation distorts jello. If we can make distorted jello, do you think a gravitational force will result? ======================================= Spacetime is made of jello now. Smiffy said so.
From: eric gisse on 3 Aug 2010 15:53 ...@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote: > Since gravitation exerts a force on both matter and light, might it not > also affect electric and magnetic fields directly? > > If so, might it not follow that the artificial distortion of an electric > or magnetic field should give rise to a gravitational force? > > Since magnetic and electric fields frequently coexist and since they > provide the only known means of distorting each other, is it not > conceivable that gravity is indeed just a manifestation of all the mutual > field distortion present in all matter. > > Henry Wilson... > > .......Einstein's Relativity...The religion that worships negative space. While the answer to this is exactly known by physicists with GR + Maxwell's equations, you reject both so there's no point in giving you an answer that's worth a damn.
From: Thomas Heger on 4 Aug 2010 02:26 Henry Wilson DSc schrieb: > Since gravitation exerts a force on both matter and light, might it not also > affect electric and magnetic fields directly? > > If so, might it not follow that the artificial distortion of an electric or > magnetic field should give rise to a gravitational force? > > Since magnetic and electric fields frequently coexist and since they provide > the only known means of distorting each other, is it not conceivable that > gravity is indeed just a manifestation of all the mutual field distortion > present in all matter. Imagine an equilibrium as the infinity sign. The tips of this lying eight (where the line builds a cross) point towards each other. This is a static situation, hence we can't see anything. Now imagine gravity as curved spacetime. Than the level gets out of balance and we experience a 'wobble', that is between the tips, that do not fit together. The higher the curvature the higher that wobble. We do indeed find such waves in the microwave range, but erroneously ascribe it to the big bang. We could of course generate the same waves by other means like high voltage or temperature. So gravity 'is' in a way the out-of-balance of such fields, due to the curvature of the earth surface, what we experience in the vertical direction as a force and in horizontal direction as radiation. TH
From: nuny on 4 Aug 2010 08:08 On Aug 3, 2:30 pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote: > Since gravitation exerts a force on both matter and light, might it not also > affect electric and magnetic fields directly? > > If so, might it not follow that the artificial distortion of an electric or > magnetic field should give rise to a gravitational force? People who work with strong, deliberately distorted magnetic fields, would have noticed it by now. Oh, and I don't mean "big science": http://205.243.100.155/frames/shrinkergallery.html Mark L. Fergerson
From: PD on 4 Aug 2010 12:19
On Aug 3, 4:30 pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote: > Since gravitation exerts a force on both matter and light, might it not also > affect electric and magnetic fields directly? > > If so, might it not follow that the artificial distortion of an electric or > magnetic field should give rise to a gravitational force? > > Since magnetic and electric fields frequently coexist and since they provide > the only known means of distorting each other, is it not conceivable that > gravity is indeed just a manifestation of all the mutual field distortion > present in all matter. > > Henry Wilson... > > .......Einstein's Relativity...The religion that worships negative space. Several comments: 1. You say that gravity might distort EM fields, which would produce gravity. This is a bit of a circle, as you can see. 2. The interdependence of electric and magnetic fields applies in matter-free space, not just in matter. That's what Maxwell's equations say. 3. There have been multiple attempts to explain gravity in terms of electromagnetic fields. See, for example, Kaluza-Klein. Do catch up. |