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From: Denny Strauser on 1 Jun 2010 04:09 DanielleOM wrote: > Denny Strauser wrote: >> DanielleOM wrote: >>> Denny Strauser wrote: >>>> DanielleOM wrote: >>>>> I was wondering what systems people here use to store cables so >>>>> that they do not get tangled. I am thinking microphone cables and >>>>> instrument cable approximately 25' long. >>>>> A friend of mine always leaves a piece of rope tied around one end >>>>> of the cable. >>>>> I was putting each cable in a plastic bag. Worked well until I >>>>> started using more cables. Takes time to open the bags and get the >>>>> cable in there. I am thinking of using velcro ties that can be left >>>>> on the cable. >>>> >>>> I prefer just tying a knot in the cable. I can tie a knot in the >>>> cable much faster than using tie line or Velcro, and when unwrapped >>>> it is neater. I can unwrap the cable faster with just a simple >>>> knot. And, Velcro makes it hard to pull a cable through a bunch of >>>> cables run on stage. >>>> - Denny >>> >>> How do tie a knot in the cable and keep within manufacturer's >>> guidelines for minimum radius? Was this a tongue in cheek >>> suggestion? >> >> This was a serious reply. I have no idea what you mean by mfg >> guidelines of minimum radius. I just know that in 30 years as a sound >> engineer, I HATE tie-line & Velcro. If I work with a sound company >> that insists on this time-consuming way of tying cables, I might >> conform, if I have the time, but my preferred way is to tie a simple >> knot in the cable itself, with very short ends. I am extremely anal >> about wrapping cables. I've had dozens of interns & assistants, & I >> almost NEVER let anyone help wrap cables. When I do, it takes me >> double the time to wire the stage for the next show. >> >> If you don't believe me, just ask George Gleason, a regular on this >> News Group. I've worked a number of shows for his sound company, & >> one of the first things I do when working his shows is to re-wrap all >> the cables I'll be using for the festivals. Not only that, but I'll >> separate them & organize them by type of cable. >> >> George? Do I speak the truth? >> LMAO .... >> We might not agree on a bunch of things, but am I anal, or what? >> And, do I get the job done quick & effectively? > > Here's a spec with minimum bending radius referenced. > http://mtron.spprod.com/country/3/external/pdf/pg_0302_HK09_int_UNITRONIC_MICROPHONE_BK.pdf > > In this case they reference 5 X the cable diameter as the minimum > bending radius. OK .... So explain to me exactly what this has to do on how one should wrap cables. I'd really like to hear Phil Allison's opinion on this. I'm wearing my FLAME RETARDANT SUIT .... LOL - Denny
From: Denny Strauser on 1 Jun 2010 04:24 Denny Strauser wrote: > DanielleOM wrote: >> Denny Strauser wrote: >>> DanielleOM wrote: >>>> Denny Strauser wrote: >>>>> DanielleOM wrote: <snipped> >> Here's a spec with minimum bending radius referenced. >> http://mtron.spprod.com/country/3/external/pdf/pg_0302_HK09_int_UNITRONIC_MICROPHONE_BK.pdf >> >> In this case they reference 5 X the cable diameter as the minimum >> bending radius. > > OK .... So explain to me exactly what this has to do on how one should > wrap cables. > > I'd really like to hear Phil Allison's opinion on this. > > I'm wearing my FLAME RETARDANT SUIT .... LOL If you can wrap a cable less than 5X the cable diameter, you are more anal than myself, and might very well cause cable damage over long-time use. But, it would be fun to watch .... No disrespect intended, but sick sense of humor cannot be avoided. AND I'd still like to hear Phil's input on this ..... -Denny
From: George's Pro Sound Co. on 1 Jun 2010 06:34 "Denny Strauser" <dsdennysound(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:hu2729$ngp$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > DanielleOM wrote: >> Denny Strauser wrote: >>> DanielleOM wrote: >>>> I was wondering what systems people here use to store cables so that >>>> they do not get tangled. I am thinking microphone cables and >>>> instrument cable approximately 25' long. >>>> A friend of mine always leaves a piece of rope tied around one end of >>>> the cable. >>>> I was putting each cable in a plastic bag. Worked well until I >>>> started using more cables. Takes time to open the bags and get the >>>> cable in there. I am thinking of using velcro ties that can be left >>>> on the cable. >>> >>> I prefer just tying a knot in the cable. I can tie a knot in the cable >>> much faster than using tie line or Velcro, and when unwrapped it is >>> neater. I can unwrap the cable faster with just a simple knot. And, >>> Velcro makes it hard to pull a cable through a bunch of cables run on >>> stage. >>> - Denny >> >> How do tie a knot in the cable and keep within manufacturer's guidelines >> for minimum radius? Was this a tongue in cheek suggestion? > > This was a serious reply. I have no idea what you mean by mfg guidelines > of minimum radius. I just know that in 30 years as a sound engineer, I > HATE tie-line & Velcro. If I work with a sound company that insists on > this time-consuming way of tying cables, I might conform, if I have the > time, but my preferred way is to tie a simple knot in the cable itself, > with very short ends. I am extremely anal about wrapping cables. I've had > dozens of interns & assistants, & I almost NEVER let anyone help wrap > cables. When I do, it takes me double the time to wire the stage for the > next show. > > If you don't believe me, just ask George Gleason, a regular on this News > Group. I've worked a number of shows for his sound company, & one of the > first things I do when working his shows is to re-wrap all the cables I'll > be using for the festivals. Not only that, but I'll separate them & > organize them by type of cable. > > George? Do I speak the truth? > LMAO .... > We might not agree on a bunch of things, but am I anal, or what? > And, do I get the job done quick & effectively? > > - Denny yes denny likesthings his way, and in the end he is the guy I hire and he gets to have things the way he wants them, myself, I perfer velco wraps
From: Arny Krueger on 1 Jun 2010 07:41 "George's Pro Sound Co." <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:HbGdnXPth5N2fZ7RnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com > for your needs the roll of them that Loews sells for 5$ > would be sufficent, there are 50 of them I believe +1. The Official name is "Velcro One Wrap Cable Ties", which some may find helpful since there are many kinds of Velcro cable ties. These are relatively cheap, available in several lengths, and amazingly durable. Sample online source: http://www.textol.com/t_ties.asp
From: PeterD on 1 Jun 2010 08:31
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:41:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger" <arnyk(a)hotpop.com> wrote: >"George's Pro Sound Co." <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:HbGdnXPth5N2fZ7RnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com > >> for your needs the roll of them that Loews sells for 5$ >> would be sufficent, there are 50 of them I believe > >+1. > >The Official name is "Velcro One Wrap Cable Ties", which some may find >helpful since there are many kinds of Velcro cable ties. > >These are relatively cheap, available in several lengths, and amazingly >durable. > >Sample online source: http://www.textol.com/t_ties.asp > The only problem I have with (most) velcro is that when it gets wet it has little or no holding power! <g> Fine for everything but damp outdoor locations where the cables, hands and everything gets damp (from dew sometimes...) |