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From: Adela on 26 Jul 2010 15:48 Oh thank you too Dave, I'll use this one as well! :o) Adela "Dave F." <df(a)zx.cu.uk> wrote in message news:e7TrTDNLLHA.1868(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> I use Startup Control Panel myself: >> >> http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml >> > > IMO Sysinternals Autoruns is much better: > > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx > > > Cheers > Dave F.
From: Adela on 26 Jul 2010 15:52 Oh thank you, I'm going to try all of them and see what happens! :But....the fact that it does something without my permission is ok? (Though I wouldn't know whether or not to give it to....) lol! Adela "Bob" <bob(a)nowhere.net> wrote in message news:i2k6se$lfc$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > WinPatrol (Free Edition) > http://www.winpatrol.com/download.html > > WinPatrol will prevent programs from enabling at startup without your > permission. > > "Adela" <nuevadela2(a)rcn.com> wrote in message > news:%23akXhhHLLHA.1868(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> [MS WinXP Home 2002 - SP3; OE 6; IE 8; MS Office Pro; Avast Antivir >> Free; Dell Dimension XPS T448MHz Pentium III; 640 MB RAM; high speed >> cable; Windows Media Player; Adobe Reader 8; Adobe Flash Player 10 >> Activex..] >> >> Hello, could someone tell me why the following and if there's a way >> around it please?: >> >> When I go to Startup to uncheck some programs to speed up the computer, >> it always appears a popup window saying that I changed the Configuration >> Utility to "Selective" or "Diagnostic" and that I should change it back >> to "Standard"... This defeats the purpose for which so many techis >> recommend to uncheck some of these programs. If there's a way to go >> around it, could someone help? >> >> Thanks so much for a suggestion. Adela >> >
From: Adela on 26 Jul 2010 16:00 Thank you, Vanguard, I don't intend to change my registry as I'm afraid to cause a bad damage, but I may use the WinPatrol -with caution- and see what happens. Thansk again! Adela "VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message news:i2kef5$n20$1(a)news.albasani.net... > Bob wrote: > >> WinPatrol (Free Edition) >> http://www.winpatrol.com/download.html >> >> WinPatrol will prevent programs from enabling at startup without your >> permission. >> >> "Adela" <nuevadela2(a)rcn.com> wrote in message >> news:%23akXhhHLLHA.1868(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> [MS WinXP Home 2002 - SP3; OE 6; IE 8; MS Office Pro; Avast Antivir >>> Free; >>> Dell Dimension XPS T448MHz Pentium III; 640 MB RAM; high speed cable; >>> Windows Media Player; Adobe Reader 8; Adobe Flash Player 10 Activex..] >>> >>> Hello, could someone tell me why the following and if there's a way >>> around >>> it please?: >>> >>> When I go to Startup to uncheck some programs to speed up the computer, >>> it >>> always appears a popup window saying that I changed the Configuration >>> Utility to "Selective" or "Diagnostic" and that I should change it back >>> to >>> "Standard"... This defeats the purpose for which so many techis >>> recommend >>> to uncheck some of these programs. If there's a way to go around it, >>> could someone help? >>> >>> Thanks so much for a suggestion. Adela >>> > > To be accurate, the free version of WinPatrol does not immediately check > for changes to the startup items. It can only poll for changes (with 1 > minute interval being the shortest poll interval). That means it can > never tell you what process made the change because it detects the > change long after it was made. Rather than catching the change > immediately and pending it awaiting your approval, it checks at > intervals if any changes were made in the areas that it monitors. It > then alerts you to the old change and offers to change it for you. > > This method won't always work. It is possible, for example, for malware > to define itself as a service with restricted permissions on its > registry keys that won't allow a normal delete of the registry item. > You have to use the registry editor to change privileges on the key to > all Everyone to have full rights and then you can delete the key (but > sometimes this doesn't work as the service was defined as a System > service and even an admin can't delete it). > > Both WinPatrol and Microsoft's old WinDefender work the same way. They > don't pend a change to then let you allow or block it. They tell you > sometime AFTER the change has been made and *perhaps* they may delete > those changes. However, it is handy to KNOW that a change has been made > so you can decide on what action to take. Alas, like many HIPS > programs, many if not most users of them don't understand the prompts so > they don't know how to act on them. The result is they end up allowing > all the changes so installing the HIPS program was worthless. > > WinPatrol is less invasive than other security products but then the > free version doesn't include an on-access scanner. It polls for > changes. I don't remember what all are the default timer values for > each type of check it peforms but several are several minutes long. By > the time you get its prompt, you might not remember what you were doing > many minutes before. I'd suggest lowering all the timers to the > 1-minute interval which is the shortest available in the free version. > WinPatrol has value but it's like telling you that your tire blew out > rather than warning you beforehand that it is underinflated.
From: VanguardLH on 26 Jul 2010 16:29 Adela wrote: > > "VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message > news:i2j8f7$s3f$1(a)news.albasani.net... >> Adela wrote: >> >>> [MS WinXP Home 2002 - SP3; OE 6; IE 8; MS Office Pro; Avast Antivir >>> Free; >>> Dell Dimension XPS T448MHz Pentium III; 640 MB RAM; high speed cable; >>> Windows Media Player; Adobe Reader 8; Adobe Flash Player 10 Activex..] >>> >>> Hello, could someone tell me why the following and if there's a way >>> around >>> it please?: >>> >>> When I go to Startup to uncheck some programs to speed up the computer, >>> it >>> always appears a popup window saying that I changed the Configuration >>> Utility to "Selective" or "Diagnostic" and that I should change it back >>> to >>> "Standard"... >> >> >> Why not check the box already in that prompt that says not to prompt you >> again? > > Thank you, and I did, but it remains that what's the purpose of this > activity if I must revert it? You have specified a selective startup. You disabled some of the startup items using msconfig. You don't want a normal startup but instead configured a selective startup. So msconfig obliges by reminding you that you configured a selective startup. Since it may be that you are troubleshooting to find out if a particular startup item is causing a problem, msconfig reminds you that you configured a selective startup by disabling one, or more, items. If you don't want that reminder than tell msconfig to no prompt you anymore (until the next time you use msconfig to change your startup list again and change your selective startup configuration). msconfig is useful for disabling startup items. However, it was designed as a diagnostic tool. When you disable some or all startup items using it, well, it's going to remind you that you still have those items disabled should you be through with your troubleshooting. The proper method of eliminating startup items is to delete them, not just disable them. "Disabling" in msconfig does not delete anything. Instead the item gets moved to a different registry key used to cache the items that were disable by msconfig. Since the startup item is no longer in its normal startup registry location, it doesn't get loaded. When you re-check the disabled item in msconfig to re-enable it, msconfig moves it out of its special holding registry key back to where it was before. msconfig doesn't delete any startup items. It only disables them to let you troubleshoot a problem with startup items. If you want to actually delete the startup items, you'll have to use a registry or employ a utility that does the registry editing for you. SysInternals has their AutoRuns utility to let you actually delete the startup items plus it shows you a lot more startup locations in the registry than does msconfig. Of course, whether using regedit or some utility to edit the registry, you assume the risk of modifying the registry. Some programs are very rude in that they will reinstate their startup items. That is, you disable or delete their startup entry but when you next run their program, it notices that the startup entry is missing and re-adds it. So you disabling or deleting registry entries to remove startup items is overridden when you run their program and it puts back the startup entry. RealPlayer, QuickTime, and other programs are rude like this. WinPatrol (there's a free version) will let you permanently disable a startup item. Instead of disabling (by moving the entry elsewhere to hold it for later possible reenable) or deleting an item, WinPatrol will disable the item and keep it disabled. If the entry shows up again, WinPatrol will disable it again. An item you disable is NOT the same as deleting that item. Disable, by its very definition, means you CAN reenable it. That's what msconfig will do. If you want to actually delete a startup item, you could use msconfig to move the entry to its special hold folder so it is gone from the normal startup location, or you could actually delete the startup item (which is not msconfig's purpose). When you visit a program's configuration options, do you really think that disabling an option actually deletes it from the program so you can never use (reenable) that option later? Disabling is not deletion. Disabling means the possiblity of later reenabling. How would msconfig know that you weren't using it for temporary troubleshooting, its intended purpose, and that later you want back all the items that you disabled? So it asks you. If you don't want the prompt, eliminate it (until the next time you apply changes using msconfig).
From: Bob on 26 Jul 2010 16:34
WinPatrol's Host-based Intrusion Prevention System(HIPS) takes snapshot of your critical system resources and alerts you to any changes that may occur without your knowledge. http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Popup-Ad-Spyware-Blockers/WinPatrol.shtml "VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message news:i2kef5$n20$1(a)news.albasani.net... > Bob wrote: > >> WinPatrol (Free Edition) >> http://www.winpatrol.com/download.html >> >> WinPatrol will prevent programs from enabling at startup without your >> permission. >> >> "Adela" <nuevadela2(a)rcn.com> wrote in message >> news:%23akXhhHLLHA.1868(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> [MS WinXP Home 2002 - SP3; OE 6; IE 8; MS Office Pro; Avast Antivir >>> Free; >>> Dell Dimension XPS T448MHz Pentium III; 640 MB RAM; high speed cable; >>> Windows Media Player; Adobe Reader 8; Adobe Flash Player 10 Activex..] >>> >>> Hello, could someone tell me why the following and if there's a way >>> around >>> it please?: >>> >>> When I go to Startup to uncheck some programs to speed up the computer, >>> it >>> always appears a popup window saying that I changed the Configuration >>> Utility to "Selective" or "Diagnostic" and that I should change it back >>> to >>> "Standard"... This defeats the purpose for which so many techis >>> recommend >>> to uncheck some of these programs. If there's a way to go around it, >>> could someone help? >>> >>> Thanks so much for a suggestion. Adela >>> > > To be accurate, the free version of WinPatrol does not immediately check > for changes to the startup items. It can only poll for changes (with 1 > minute interval being the shortest poll interval). That means it can > never tell you what process made the change because it detects the > change long after it was made. Rather than catching the change > immediately and pending it awaiting your approval, it checks at > intervals if any changes were made in the areas that it monitors. It > then alerts you to the old change and offers to change it for you. > > This method won't always work. It is possible, for example, for malware > to define itself as a service with restricted permissions on its > registry keys that won't allow a normal delete of the registry item. > You have to use the registry editor to change privileges on the key to > all Everyone to have full rights and then you can delete the key (but > sometimes this doesn't work as the service was defined as a System > service and even an admin can't delete it). > > Both WinPatrol and Microsoft's old WinDefender work the same way. They > don't pend a change to then let you allow or block it. They tell you > sometime AFTER the change has been made and *perhaps* they may delete > those changes. However, it is handy to KNOW that a change has been made > so you can decide on what action to take. Alas, like many HIPS > programs, many if not most users of them don't understand the prompts so > they don't know how to act on them. The result is they end up allowing > all the changes so installing the HIPS program was worthless. > > WinPatrol is less invasive than other security products but then the > free version doesn't include an on-access scanner. It polls for > changes. I don't remember what all are the default timer values for > each type of check it peforms but several are several minutes long. By > the time you get its prompt, you might not remember what you were doing > many minutes before. I'd suggest lowering all the timers to the > 1-minute interval which is the shortest available in the free version. > WinPatrol has value but it's like telling you that your tire blew out > rather than warning you beforehand that it is underinflated. |