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From: Tim Prince on 7 Jan 2010 10:42 Gordon Sande wrote: > All the spam > complaints seen to come from folks who use Google. No, it's from people who use news servers which aren't protected against Google. The implication, often > stated explicitly here as well, is that regular ISPs offering UseNet have > some sort of spam control My primary "regular" ISP finally stopped news feeds entirely, after years of giving Google priority over non-spam. My secondary ISP stopped news feeds several years ago, as well as stopping for-fee services while continuing to collect the fee. I'd guess that these ISPs were simply looking for excuses not to continue news feeds, and taking advantage of Google to turn customers away from news groups. I followed the advice given here and subscribed to one of the excellent news group specialists. I have no idea how Google could get any advantage by tactics tending toward killing public news groups.
From: Luka Djigas on 7 Jan 2010 11:42 On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:09:28 GMT, Gordon Sande <g.sande(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: >I have seen more discussion of spam than of spam! Now and then there will be a >burst of the sort of ads that I see on some other newsgroups. All the spam >complaints seen to come from folks who use Google. The implication, often >stated explicitly here as well, is that regular ISPs offering UseNet have >some sort of spam control somewhere along the propagation chain that is >missing from Google. The obvious cure is to not use Google which has the >additional benefit of avoiding its interface which seems to draw as many >complaints as does its spam. (Perhaps Google thinks it has to archive the >spam as well as the regular content so they will not chnage their policies.) > >Perhaps the spam removal filters should also remove the complaints about >the spam! > I didn't wish to "attack" Terence's work regarding spam, but these are pretty much my thoughts exactly. For folks who use regular news servers and news readers, spam is almost a non issue. So the only thing I see regarding spam is posts from nice people (like Terence) who are not in killfiles, but talk about it. But then again, talking about spam is almost equally offtopic as spam itself ... you get the point. Nevertheless, Terence - keep at it, although, I doubt anyone at Google's listening or caring about it. Although here I have access to no less than three, news servers are somewhat of a dying breed. Newer generations don't find them interesting enough (what advantages web forum's have over usenet is a mystery to me). with regards Luka
From: Gib Bogle on 7 Jan 2010 17:45 Luka Djigas wrote: > On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:09:28 GMT, Gordon Sande > <g.sande(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: > >> I have seen more discussion of spam than of spam! Now and then there will be a >> burst of the sort of ads that I see on some other newsgroups. All the spam >> complaints seen to come from folks who use Google. The implication, often >> stated explicitly here as well, is that regular ISPs offering UseNet have >> some sort of spam control somewhere along the propagation chain that is >> missing from Google. The obvious cure is to not use Google which has the >> additional benefit of avoiding its interface which seems to draw as many >> complaints as does its spam. (Perhaps Google thinks it has to archive the >> spam as well as the regular content so they will not chnage their policies.) >> >> Perhaps the spam removal filters should also remove the complaints about >> the spam! >> > > > I didn't wish to "attack" Terence's work regarding spam, > but these are pretty much my thoughts exactly. > > For folks who use regular news servers and news readers, spam is > almost a non issue. So the only thing I see regarding spam is posts > from nice people (like Terence) who are not in killfiles, but talk > about it. But then again, talking about spam is almost equally > offtopic as spam itself ... you get the point. > Nevertheless, Terence - keep at it, although, I doubt anyone at > Google's listening or caring about it. > > Although here I have access to no less than three, news servers are > somewhat of a dying breed. Newer generations don't find them > interesting enough (what advantages web forum's have over usenet is a > mystery to me). > > with regards > Luka Apparently the young ones are using something called Twitter. God knows what that is.
From: Dr Ivan D. Reid on 7 Jan 2010 19:22 On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:45:02 +1300, Gib Bogle <g.bogle(a)auckland.no.spam.ac.nz> wrote in <hi5o5b$9n1$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>: > Apparently the young ones are using something called Twitter. God knows what > that is. Our Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition recently got into a small spot of bother when he suggested that people who sent twitters were twats! -- Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration, Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
From: Beliavsky on 8 Jan 2010 08:28
On Jan 6, 8:16 pm, Erik Toussaint <u...(a)example.net.invalid> wrote: > Terence wrote: <snip> > > Seriously: if you, the readers, are fed up, then try posting on > > >http://groups.google.com/group/fortran_ > > > And you can double-post (ne each) if you want to make your point or > > get a posting seen and commented on, free of spam. > > I won't repeat what has been said many times before about using a > separate news reader to connect to an NNTP server for your access to > Usenet, but I do want to say this. Many people, including myself, use > that route to follow this, and other, newsgroups, and as a consequence > hardly see any spam, if at all. If all those NNTP service providers can > filter out the spam, shouldn't the mighty Google be able to do the same? > All that is needed is the will to do so, but apparently this will is not > present at the moment. Should you really be steering people towards > their forums if they don't care about the amount of spam that is posted > on the net? At the Google group Terence mentioned, group managers can delete spam and ban spammers, so spam does not stay long. |