From: Josh Davis on 3 Mar 2010 20:25 Ronx, I just got to previewing the layout and i like it just might wanna define the lines a bit more and change the colors a bit but overall i like it. Is there anyway i could use that as a template to base the rest of my site off of? Also i didn't meant to emply i was against CSS just i haven't really been taught how to use CSS in HTML. I am fluent in the base HTML code though. I do like the other non recipe stuff up top and the recipes to the left. I do like it and i will read up on it Thank you, "Ronx" wrote: > Good luck. > > Your present recipe pages look messy. If you want two columns for the ingredients, do not use spaces to separate the columns - that never works. Use a table or floated <divs>. > > Learn some HTML and CSS. http://www.w3schools.com will give you a good grounding in these. > > If anything, you need MORE spacing in your present pages, not less - and no-one has suggested removing spaces, except where you try to use them to create columns. > > -- > Ron Symonds > Microsoft MVP (Expression Web) > http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/wf-menu.aspx > > > Josh Davis pretended : > > A few problems with your suggestions: > > > 1. If I take the spacing out of the ingredients > > then the ingredients will be scrunched > > together, thereby ruining my content > > distribution evenly. I was trying to balance > > the ingredients weighted across the page in a 2 > > x 2 format. 2. I did not use Word to format my > > text i used the built in features of > > FrontPage. 3. I do not want to use CSS because > > as I have stated in other posts I do not know > > much about it. Therefore, i do not know how to > > implement it. I also can not find any decent > > tutorials on how to do CSS that is why i do not > > use it. 4. It was suggested that I should not > > bother with a special page and would be too > > difficult to maintain and having two pages open > > at the same time would be confusing to the > > user. Well, first the site would not have two > > pages open except when they click the > > printable page link on the main page. When I > > get the printable version done i will type up > > a little note to explain what to do with this > > newly opened page and what to do after they > > finish printing. As for maintenance, I expect > > the site will constantly have to be maintained > > due to recipes will be added and edited > > regularly once i get the creator of the recipe > > to proofread them to make sure they are exactly > > right. I have no problem editing two pages per > > recipe.all i have to do is open the online > > version then the printable version beside of it > > in the editing pane of FrontPage and repeat > > for the whole recipe section. > > > Thank you, > > "Ronx" wrote: > > >> "I would also like to have the online > >>> page be a size that will fit and fill up all > >>> space on any monitor's screen so the user > >>> will not have to scroll to the left or > >>> scroll unnecessarily no matter their pixel > >>> settings to view the website." > >> > >> Don't. Your page is best suited to a fixed > >> width. Long lines of text that would reult > >> from a fluid layout (a layout that takes up > >> the space available) will not only look bad, > >> but will be very difficult to read if the > >> browser is opened to over 900px wide. If you > >> design for a fixed width of 760px, the page > >> will be easy to read - and that is the most > >> important thing to consider, and will be OK on > >> 95% of monitors. If the page was about > >> pictures, that would be a different matter > >> where wider might be better. > >> > >> For the printable page - again, do not bother > >> with a special page. These become difficult > >> to maintain - change the main page and then > >> you have to change the printable version. Use > >> CSS to hide the bits you don't want to see. > >> And a user will not want to see two versions > >> of the page at once - that is confusing. > >> > >> Take a look at at > >> http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/tests/pages/lemon_pound_cake.html > >> Notice the lines in the ordered list are > >> separated, the menus are tidy and usable. And > >> the page is readable. > >> > >> Also PRINT it - or use Print Preview in the > >> browser. > >> > >> > >> For you immediate size problem, in code view > >> change <table border="1" cellpadding="0" > >> cellspacing="0" width="1298" height="1411" > >> bordercolorlight="#000080" > >> bordercolordark="#000080"> to <table > >> border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" > >> width="760" bordercolorlight="#000080" > >> bordercolordark="#000080"> > >> > >> or to > >> > >> <table border="1" cellpadding="0" > >> cellspacing="0" width="90%" > >> bordercolorlight="#000080" > >> bordercolordark="#000080"> > >> > >> The attribute height in a table tag has never > >> been legal HTML and should always be removed. > >> Some browsers actually use it, and as a result > >> do not show all the page contents. > >> > >> As Rob said, the overlapping lines is most > >> likely caused by the Word formatting - nasty > >> stuff at its best in a web page. > >> > >> -- > >> Ron Symonds > >> Microsoft MVP (Expression Web) > >> http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/wf-menu.aspx > >> > >> > >> Josh Davis wrote : > >>> I am trying to create a printable page and I > >>> have only the pertinent information on the > >>> page and it opens in a second browser window > >>> yet I would like the new window to pop up > >>> above the online page and only be as large as > >>> needed not a full size browser window. Is > >>> that possible? I would also like to have > >>> the online page be a size that will fit and > >>> fill up all space on any monitor's screen > >>> so the user will not have to scroll to the > >>> left or scroll unnecessarily no matter > >>> their pixel settings to view the website. > >>> How do I set that up? Also, in the ordered > >>> list items 9 & 10 of that printable pages' > >>> text is slightly on top of each other. How > >>> can i fix that? Lastly, on the printable > >>> page how can I make the ordered list line up > >>> against the left border of the table? The > >>> links are as follows: Whole Site: > >>> http://shirleysrecipes.awardspace.biz > >>> Printable Page: > >>> http://shirleysrecipes.awardspace.biz/printlemonpoundcake.htm > >> > >> -- > >> Ron Symonds > >> Microsoft MVP (Expression Web) > >> http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/wf-menu.aspx > >> > >> > >> . > >> > > > . >
From: Helpful person on 3 Mar 2010 21:12 On Mar 3, 5:25 pm, Josh Davis <JoshDa...(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > Ronx, > > I just got to previewing the layout and i like it just might wanna define > the lines a bit more and change the colors a bit but overall i like it. Is > there anyway i could use that as a template to base the rest of my site off > of? Also i didn't meant to emply i was against CSS just i haven't really been > taught how to use CSS in HTML. I am fluent in the base HTML code though. I do > like the other non recipe stuff up top and the recipes to the left. I do > like it and i will read up on it > > Thank you, > > > > "Ronx" wrote: > > Good luck. > > > Your present recipe pages look messy. If you want two columns for the ingredients, do not use spaces to separate the columns - that never works. Use a table or floated <divs>. > > > Learn some HTML and CSS. http://www.w3schools.comwill give you a good grounding in these. > > > If anything, you need MORE spacing in your present pages, not less - and no-one has suggested removing spaces, except where you try to use them to create columns. > > > -- > > Ron Symonds > > Microsoft MVP (Expression Web) > >http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/wf-menu.aspx > > > Josh Davis pretended : > > > A few problems with your suggestions: > > > > 1. If I take the spacing out of the ingredients > > > then the ingredients will be scrunched > > > together, thereby ruining my content > > > distribution evenly. I was trying to balance > > > the ingredients weighted across the page in a 2 > > > x 2 format. 2. I did not use Word to format my > > > text i used the built in features of > > > FrontPage. 3. I do not want to use CSS because > > > as I have stated in other posts I do not know > > > much about it. Therefore, i do not know how to > > > implement it. I also can not find any decent > > > tutorials on how to do CSS that is why i do not > > > use it. 4. It was suggested that I should not > > > bother with a special page and would be too > > > difficult to maintain and having two pages open > > > at the same time would be confusing to the > > > user. Well, first the site would not have two > > > pages open except when they click the > > > printable page link on the main page. When I > > > get the printable version done i will type up > > > a little note to explain what to do with this > > > newly opened page and what to do after they > > > finish printing. As for maintenance, I expect > > > the site will constantly have to be maintained > > > due to recipes will be added and edited > > > regularly once i get the creator of the recipe > > > to proofread them to make sure they are exactly > > > right. I have no problem editing two pages per > > > recipe.all i have to do is open the online > > > version then the printable version beside of it > > > in the editing pane of FrontPage and repeat > > > for the whole recipe section. > > > > Thank you, > > > "Ronx" wrote: > > > >> "I would also like to have the online > > >>> page be a size that will fit and fill up all > > >>> space on any monitors screen so the user > > >>> will not have to scroll to the left or > > >>> scroll unnecessarily no matter their pixel > > >>> settings to view the website." > > > >> Don't. Your page is best suited to a fixed > > >> width. Long lines of text that would reult > > >> from a fluid layout (a layout that takes up > > >> the space available) will not only look bad, > > >> but will be very difficult to read if the > > >> browser is opened to over 900px wide. If you > > >> design for a fixed width of 760px, the page > > >> will be easy to read - and that is the most > > >> important thing to consider, and will be OK on > > >> 95% of monitors. If the page was about > > >> pictures, that would be a different matter > > >> where wider might be better. > > > >> For the printable page - again, do not bother > > >> with a special page. These become difficult > > >> to maintain - change the main page and then > > >> you have to change the printable version. Use > > >> CSS to hide the bits you don't want to see. > > >> And a user will not want to see two versions > > >> of the page at once - that is confusing. > > > >> Take a look at at > > >>http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/tests/pages/lemon_pound_cake.html > > >> Notice the lines in the ordered list are > > >> separated, the menus are tidy and usable. And > > >> the page is readable. > > > >> Also PRINT it - or use Print Preview in the > > >> browser. > > > >> For you immediate size problem, in code view > > >> change <table border="1" cellpadding="0" > > >> cellspacing="0" width="1298" height="1411" > > >> bordercolorlight="#000080" > > >> bordercolordark="#000080"> to <table > > >> border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" > > >> width="760" bordercolorlight="#000080" > > >> bordercolordark="#000080"> > > > >> or to > > > >> <table border="1" cellpadding="0" > > >> cellspacing="0" width="90%" > > >> bordercolorlight="#000080" > > >> bordercolordark="#000080"> > > > >> The attribute height in a table tag has never > > >> been legal HTML and should always be removed. > > >> Some browsers actually use it, and as a result > > >> do not show all the page contents. > > > >> As Rob said, the overlapping lines is most > > >> likely caused by the Word formatting - nasty > > >> stuff at its best in a web page. > > > >> -- > > >> Ron Symonds > > >> Microsoft MVP (Expression Web) > > >>http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/wf-menu.aspx > > > >> Josh Davis wrote : > > >>> I am trying to create a printable page and I > > >>> have only the pertinent information on the > > >>> page and it opens in a second browser window > > >>> yet I would like the new window to pop up > > >>> above the online page and only be as large as > > >>> needed not a full size browser window. Is > > >>> that possible? I would also like to have > > >>> the online page be a size that will fit and > > >>> fill up all space on any monitors screen > > >>> so the user will not have to scroll to the > > >>> left or scroll unnecessarily no matter > > >>> their pixel settings to view the website. > > >>> How do I set that up? Also, in the ordered > > >>> list items 9 & 10 of that printable pages' > > >>> text is slightly on top of each other. How > > >>> can i fix that? Lastly, on the printable > > >>> page how can I make the ordered list line up > > >>> against the left border of the table? The > > >>> links are as follows: Whole Site: > > >>>http://shirleysrecipes.awardspace.biz > > >>> Printable Page: > > >>>http://shirleysrecipes.awardspace.biz/printlemonpoundcake.htm > > > >> -- > > >> Ron Symonds > > >> Microsoft MVP (Expression Web) > > >>http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/wf-menu.aspx > > > >> . > > > .- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Difficult to understand how you can be fluent in HTML when your web site doesn't validate. www.richardfisher.com
From: Josh Davis on 3 Mar 2010 22:35 As i stated i am fluent is HTML base code not the enhanced features. Validating? If you mean the norton ! that i need to contact the webhost about norton has invalid entries in thier database from long ago. "Helpful person" wrote: > On Mar 3, 5:25 pm, Josh Davis <JoshDa...(a)discussions.microsoft.com> > wrote: > > Ronx, > > > > I just got to previewing the layout and i like it just might wanna define > > the lines a bit more and change the colors a bit but overall i like it. Is > > there anyway i could use that as a template to base the rest of my site off > > of? Also i didn't meant to emply i was against CSS just i haven't really been > > taught how to use CSS in HTML. I am fluent in the base HTML code though. I do > > like the other non recipe stuff up top and the recipes to the left. I do > > like it and i will read up on it > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > "Ronx" wrote: > > > Good luck. > > > > > Your present recipe pages look messy. If you want two columns for the ingredients, do not use spaces to separate the columns - that never works. Use a table or floated <divs>. > > > > > Learn some HTML and CSS. http://www.w3schools.comwill give you a good grounding in these. > > > > > If anything, you need MORE spacing in your present pages, not less - and no-one has suggested removing spaces, except where you try to use them to create columns. > > > > > -- > > > Ron Symonds > > > Microsoft MVP (Expression Web) > > >http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/wf-menu.aspx > > > > > Josh Davis pretended : > > > > A few problems with your suggestions: > > > > > > 1. If I take the spacing out of the ingredients > > > > then the ingredients will be scrunched > > > > together, thereby ruining my content > > > > distribution evenly. I was trying to balance > > > > the ingredients weighted across the page in a 2 > > > > x 2 format. 2. I did not use Word to format my > > > > text i used the built in features of > > > > FrontPage. 3. I do not want to use CSS because > > > > as I have stated in other posts I do not know > > > > much about it. Therefore, i do not know how to > > > > implement it. I also can not find any decent > > > > tutorials on how to do CSS that is why i do not > > > > use it. 4. It was suggested that I should not > > > > bother with a special page and would be too > > > > difficult to maintain and having two pages open > > > > at the same time would be confusing to the > > > > user. Well, first the site would not have two > > > > pages open except when they click the > > > > printable page link on the main page. When I > > > > get the printable version done i will type up > > > > a little note to explain what to do with this > > > > newly opened page and what to do after they > > > > finish printing. As for maintenance, I expect > > > > the site will constantly have to be maintained > > > > due to recipes will be added and edited > > > > regularly once i get the creator of the recipe > > > > to proofread them to make sure they are exactly > > > > right. I have no problem editing two pages per > > > > recipe.all i have to do is open the online > > > > version then the printable version beside of it > > > > in the editing pane of FrontPage and repeat > > > > for the whole recipe section. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > "Ronx" wrote: > > > > > >> "I would also like to have the online > > > >>> page be a size that will fit and fill up all > > > >>> space on any monitor's screen so the user > > > >>> will not have to scroll to the left or > > > >>> scroll unnecessarily no matter their pixel > > > >>> settings to view the website." > > > > > >> Don't. Your page is best suited to a fixed > > > >> width. Long lines of text that would reult > > > >> from a fluid layout (a layout that takes up > > > >> the space available) will not only look bad, > > > >> but will be very difficult to read if the > > > >> browser is opened to over 900px wide. If you > > > >> design for a fixed width of 760px, the page > > > >> will be easy to read - and that is the most > > > >> important thing to consider, and will be OK on > > > >> 95% of monitors. If the page was about > > > >> pictures, that would be a different matter > > > >> where wider might be better. > > > > > >> For the printable page - again, do not bother > > > >> with a special page. These become difficult > > > >> to maintain - change the main page and then > > > >> you have to change the printable version. Use > > > >> CSS to hide the bits you don't want to see. > > > >> And a user will not want to see two versions > > > >> of the page at once - that is confusing. > > > > > >> Take a look at at > > > >>http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/tests/pages/lemon_pound_cake.html > > > >> Notice the lines in the ordered list are > > > >> separated, the menus are tidy and usable. And > > > >> the page is readable. > > > > > >> Also PRINT it - or use Print Preview in the > > > >> browser. > > > > > >> For you immediate size problem, in code view > > > >> change <table border="1" cellpadding="0" > > > >> cellspacing="0" width="1298" height="1411" > > > >> bordercolorlight="#000080" > > > >> bordercolordark="#000080"> to <table > > > >> border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" > > > >> width="760" bordercolorlight="#000080" > > > >> bordercolordark="#000080"> > > > > > >> or to > > > > > >> <table border="1" cellpadding="0" > > > >> cellspacing="0" width="90%" > > > >> bordercolorlight="#000080" > > > >> bordercolordark="#000080"> > > > > > >> The attribute height in a table tag has never > > > >> been legal HTML and should always be removed. > > > >> Some browsers actually use it, and as a result > > > >> do not show all the page contents. > > > > > >> As Rob said, the overlapping lines is most > > > >> likely caused by the Word formatting - nasty > > > >> stuff at its best in a web page. > > > > > >> -- > > > >> Ron Symonds > > > >> Microsoft MVP (Expression Web) > > > >>http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/wf-menu.aspx > > > > > >> Josh Davis wrote : > > > >>> I am trying to create a printable page and I > > > >>> have only the pertinent information on the > > > >>> page and it opens in a second browser window > > > >>> yet I would like the new window to pop up > > > >>> above the online page and only be as large as > > > >>> needed not a full size browser window. Is > > > >>> that possible? I would also like to have > > > >>> the online page be a size that will fit and > > > >>> fill up all space on any monitor's screen > > > >>> so the user will not have to scroll to the > > > >>> left or scroll unnecessarily no matter > > > >>> their pixel settings to view the website. > > > >>> How do I set that up? Also, in the ordered > > > >>> list items 9 & 10 of that printable pages' > > > >>> text is slightly on top of each other. How > > > >>> can i fix that? Lastly, on the printable > > > >>> page how can I make the ordered list line up > > > >>> against the left border of the table? The > > > >>> links are as follows: Whole Site: > > > >>>http://shirleysrecipes.awardspace.biz > > > >>> Printable Page: > > > >>>http://shirleysrecipes.awardspace.biz/printlemonpoundcake.htm > > > > > >> -- > > > >> Ron Symonds > > > >> Microsoft MVP (Expression Web) > > > >>http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/wf-menu.aspx > > > > > >> . > > > > > .- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > Difficult to understand how you can be fluent in HTML when your web > site doesn't validate. > > www.richardfisher.com > . >
From: Helpful person on 4 Mar 2010 13:32 On Mar 3, 7:35 pm, Josh Davis <JoshDa...(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > As i stated i am fluent is HTML base code not the enhanced features. > Validating? If you mean the norton ! that i need to contact the webhost about > norton has invalid entries in thier database from long ago. > > "Helpful person" wrote: I am writing about your web as per the following link: http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_uri www.richardfisher.com
From: Josh Davis on 4 Mar 2010 16:04 that is because my website does not have CSS implementation on it. "Helpful person" wrote: > On Mar 3, 7:35 pm, Josh Davis <JoshDa...(a)discussions.microsoft.com> > wrote: > > As i stated i am fluent is HTML base code not the enhanced features. > > Validating? If you mean the norton ! that i need to contact the webhost about > > norton has invalid entries in thier database from long ago. > > > > "Helpful person" wrote: > > I am writing about your web as per the following link: > > http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_uri > > www.richardfisher.com > > . >
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