Iczelion's tutorials revisited.
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From: hutch-- on 28 Aug 2005 10:50 smile, I have tried to warn you already that all of this flattery may end up going to my head. After reaching the sublime heights of being the "fucky one", I did not think I could climb the ladder any higher. :) ============================== You are fully right on that point, but the complete story is that, when you took a run on this subject, you were targeting _me_. ============================== You flatter yourself, you were included because of your Betov Licencing System (BLS) subtitled, if you want it, STEAL it. I pointed te cpmplaint and warning to ANYONE who tried to cash in on Iczelion's name and I make no apologies for that. ============================== On my side, i did a _LOT_ of works, contributed to many Demos, collaborated with several of the pioneers, (for example, Test Departement and Ron Thomas), wrote two and half Megas of Assembly Sources, two megas of _valid_ Documentation, and so on... ============================== TD wrote for MASM32 well after it was released and Ron Thomas was on the scene later than when MASM32 was released so you should give up recreating well known history. Your problem was you were not there either and missed the boat. ============================== You are a real _nobody_, Hutch, and you chest bombing gesticulations cannot replace any done real work. We all perfectly understand that your absurd defense of the MicroSoft C-Side-Toy, that you redistribute illegaly, has no other mean but to give yourself some importance that you never had, otherwise, by anything really done. ============================== Awe diddums, felling a bit left out of it again, I suggest its time for you to try another bottle of "open sauce" so that you can nod off again and keep your legs warm as you discharge your main byproduct. it must be soul destroying for such a clapped out failure in the face of the sheer brutal power orf MASM and its near absolute dominance of assembler programming for Windows. Regards, hutch at movsd dot com
From: Paul Dunn on 28 Aug 2005 13:10 hutch-- wrote: > He did not write any other versions in any other language and the only > tutorials written by him are on his web site. When someone ports > Iczelion;s work to another language, they are NOT Iczelion's work and > should not be referred to in that manner. Have the Iczelion tutorials been ported to Visual C++ yet? If not, may I do so? They do look quite useful, and I'm sure the community would benefit.
From: f0dder on 28 Aug 2005 13:28 Paul Dunn wrote: > hutch-- wrote: > >> He did not write any other versions in any other language and the >> only tutorials written by him are on his web site. When someone ports >> Iczelion;s work to another language, they are NOT Iczelion's work and >> should not be referred to in that manner. > > Have the Iczelion tutorials been ported to Visual C++ yet? If not, > may I do so? They do look quite useful, and I'm sure the community > would benefit. Feel free to do so, as long as you give credit where credit is due. Pay no notice to hutch, translating the tutorials would be in accordance with the copyright notice, and in the spirit of Iczelion. I would suggest Charles Petzold's "programming windows" instead, though.
From: Paul Dunn on 28 Aug 2005 13:41 f0dder wrote: > Paul Dunn wrote: >> hutch-- wrote: >> >>> He did not write any other versions in any other language and the >>> only tutorials written by him are on his web site. When someone >>> ports Iczelion;s work to another language, they are NOT Iczelion's >>> work and should not be referred to in that manner. >> >> Have the Iczelion tutorials been ported to Visual C++ yet? If not, >> may I do so? They do look quite useful, and I'm sure the community >> would benefit. > > Feel free to do so, as long as you give credit where credit is due. > Pay no notice to hutch, translating the tutorials would be in > accordance with the copyright notice, and in the spirit of Iczelion. :-D > I would suggest Charles Petzold's "programming windows" instead, > though. Oh, but Iczelion's are so much more worthy. Nice to know I'll not be breaking any laws though, thanks.
From: JGCASEY on 28 Aug 2005 16:44
f0dder wrote: > > I would suggest Charles Petzold's "programming windows" ... This is perhaps the best book for a Win32 API beginner who knows how to program in C? As good as Iczelion's tuts may be they are not aimed at a Win32 API and MASM novice even if they do know some assembler and would be complete gibberish to a absolute assembler beginner. It interests me that those that have the ability to write an assembler lack the ability to write their own tutorials, particularly tutorials to get newbies interested in assembler. I think assembler will die out with the old guard in any hobbyist sense and become simply a side tool for systems programmers. John |