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From: Denny Strauser on 26 Jul 2010 18:16
On 7/26/2010 9:42 AM, Bob Quintal wrote:
> Joe Kotroczo<kotroczo(a)mac.com> wrote in
> news:C87305E6.C5CB8%kotroczo(a)mac.com:
>
>> On 26/07/2010 03:34, in article i2iomt$s9o$1(a)speranza.aioe.org,
>> "bob u"<sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody an CM expert on chain motors?
>>> I was recently setting up a gig where we were using 1 tons
>>> inverted to pull up stacks of Vertecs.
>>>
>>> A couple of them pissed and moaned and acted like a bad
>>> connection. Talking to other people latter, i guess these are
>>> designed to be used in one orientation, and there is an
>>> industrial model that will do both?
>>>
>>> What exactly is the issues of inverting a stock entertainment CM?
>>> Relay contacts or ?
>>
>> Isn't "inverted" which apparently is rigging speak for "chain up,
>> motor down" the standard config of the CM Lodestars?
>>
>> I know some of them can be used both ways, "inverted" and
>> "non-inverted", but I don't know if that's an optional feature.
>
> CM Lodestars used in manufacturing, vehicle maintenance and warehousing
> are used motor up, and that is the standard configuration. The "Rock&
> Roll" option inverses the action of a safety brake pawl so that the
> motor can climb its own chain. (disclaimer: I don't work for CM)

Check out this link:
http://www.cm-et.com/pubdocs/troubleshooting/02.%20Rigging.pdf

- Denny
From: Bob Quintal on 27 Jul 2010 18:07
Denny Strauser <dsdennysound(a)gmail.com> wrote in
news:i2l1gs$2le$1(a)news.eternal-september.org:

> On 7/26/2010 9:42 AM, Bob Quintal wrote:
>> Joe Kotroczo<kotroczo(a)mac.com> wrote in
>> news:C87305E6.C5CB8%kotroczo(a)mac.com:
>>
>>> On 26/07/2010 03:34, in article i2iomt$s9o$1(a)speranza.aioe.org,
>>> "bob u"<sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anybody an CM expert on chain motors?
>>>> I was recently setting up a gig where we were using 1 tons
>>>> inverted to pull up stacks of Vertecs.
>>>>
>>>> A couple of them pissed and moaned and acted like a bad
>>>> connection. Talking to other people latter, i guess these are
>>>> designed to be used in one orientation, and there is an
>>>> industrial model that will do both?
>>>>
>>>> What exactly is the issues of inverting a stock entertainment
>>>> CM? Relay contacts or ?
>>>
>>> Isn't "inverted" which apparently is rigging speak for "chain
>>> up, motor down" the standard config of the CM Lodestars?
>>>
>>> I know some of them can be used both ways, "inverted" and
>>> "non-inverted", but I don't know if that's an optional feature.
>>
>> CM Lodestars used in manufacturing, vehicle maintenance and
>> warehousing are used motor up, and that is the standard
>> configuration. The "Rock& Roll" option inverses the action of a
>> safety brake pawl so that the motor can climb its own chain.
>> (disclaimer: I don't work for CM)
>
> Check out this link:
> http://www.cm-et.com/pubdocs/troubleshooting/02.%20Rigging.pdf
>
> - Denny
>

Thanks. My info obviously predated August 1998. Actually, it must
have been in the '80s that I was shown how to invert the contactor
box.

From: Tim Perry on 27 Jul 2010 20:28

"bob u" <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote in message
news:i2iomt$s9o$1(a)speranza.aioe.org...
> Anybody an CM expert on chain motors?
> I was recently setting up a gig where we were using 1 tons inverted
> to pull up stacks of Vertecs.
>
> A couple of them pissed and moaned and acted like a bad connection.
> Talking to other people latter, i guess these are designed to be
> used in one orientation, and there is an industrial model that will do
> both?
>
> What exactly is the issues of inverting a stock entertainment CM?
> Relay contacts or ?
>
> bob

I seem to recall hearing the chains in Spain are used mainly on the vertical
plane.


From: bob u on 27 Jul 2010 20:43
On 7/27/2010 7:28 PM, Tim Perry wrote:
> "bob u"<sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote in message
> news:i2iomt$s9o$1(a)speranza.aioe.org...
>> Anybody an CM expert on chain motors?
>> I was recently setting up a gig where we were using 1 tons inverted
>> to pull up stacks of Vertecs.
>>
>> A couple of them pissed and moaned and acted like a bad connection.
>> Talking to other people latter, i guess these are designed to be
>> used in one orientation, and there is an industrial model that will do
>> both?
>>
>> What exactly is the issues of inverting a stock entertainment CM?
>> Relay contacts or ?
>>
>> bob
>
> I seem to recall hearing the chains in Spain are used mainly on the vertical
> plane.
>
>
Next your going to be telling me you toured with
"alice in chain motors...."

bob
From: Tim Perry on 27 Jul 2010 21:42

"bob u" <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote in message
news:i2nuep$3m0$1(a)speranza.aioe.org...
> On 7/27/2010 7:28 PM, Tim Perry wrote:
>> "bob u"<sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote in message
>> news:i2iomt$s9o$1(a)speranza.aioe.org...
>>> Anybody an CM expert on chain motors?
>>> I was recently setting up a gig where we were using 1 tons inverted
>>> to pull up stacks of Vertecs.
>>>
>>> A couple of them pissed and moaned and acted like a bad connection.
>>> Talking to other people latter, i guess these are designed to be
>>> used in one orientation, and there is an industrial model that will do
>>> both?
>>>
>>> What exactly is the issues of inverting a stock entertainment CM?
>>> Relay contacts or ?
>>>
>>> bob
>>
>> I seem to recall hearing the chains in Spain are used mainly on the
>> vertical
>> plane.
>>
>>
> Next your going to be telling me you toured with
> "alice in chain motors...."
>
> bob

only if i could provide a link...


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