Is R overtaking SAS at universities and colleges?
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From: long3 on 9 Jul 2008 11:38 What does the FDA (or any federal department that hands out grants) think of R? That might be an important question to consider if R is currently a threat to replace SAS. -----Original Message----- From: Mary [mailto:mlhoward(a)AVALON.NET] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:32 AM To: SAS-L(a)LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: Is R overtaking SAS at universities and colleges? Because if R is overtaking SAS at universities and colleges, it will likely become more prevalent in the workplace, and thus existing statistical programmers will need to learn and use it in order to continue to be employable. -Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben To: SAS-L(a)LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Is R overtaking SAS at universities and colleges? Why bother?
From: Mary on 9 Jul 2008 11:55 Stuart (I can't help noticing the "NIH" in your name), Perhaps you could ask at the NIH for us! It would seem that acceptance = would come at the NIH before the FDA, since many NIH grants are to = universities (I'm on an NIH grant), whereas the FDA more deals with = pharmaceutical firms. Certainly, if people on NIH grants start publishing papers that have = statistical analysis done in R, then that would "open the flood gates", = as it were to more people using R to do their analysis. I would think = that the FDA would be more conservative in requiring the use of SAS for = longer than the NIH would. Many statistical analysts just coming out of = college may get their first jobs on NIH grants at universities, and = would naturally use R if that is what they've been trained in unless = there's an NIH requirement prohibiting it; even if there is, they may = still use R for exploratory work and switch over to SAS for formal work. = Thus, Stuart, do you know anything about the NIH's feelings towards = using R for statistical analysis? -Mary ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Long, Stuart (NIH/NIEHS) [C]=20 To: Mary ; SAS-L(a)LISTSERV.UGA.EDU=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: RE: Re: Is R overtaking SAS at universities and colleges? What does the FDA (or any federal department that hands out grants) think of R? That might be an important question to consider if R is currently a threat to replace SAS. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Mary [mailto:mlhoward(a)AVALON.NET]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:32 AM To: SAS-L(a)LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: Is R overtaking SAS at universities and colleges? Because if R is overtaking SAS at universities and colleges, it will likely become more prevalent in the workplace, and thus existing statistical programmers will need to learn and use it in order to continue to be employable. -Mary ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ben=20 To: SAS-L(a)LISTSERV.UGA.EDU=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Is R overtaking SAS at universities and colleges? Why bother?
From: Mary on 9 Jul 2008 11:31 Because if R is overtaking SAS at universities and colleges, it will = likely become more prevalent in the workplace, and thus existing = statistical programmers will need to learn and use it in order to = continue to be employable. -Mary ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ben=20 To: SAS-L(a)LISTSERV.UGA.EDU=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Is R overtaking SAS at universities and colleges? Why bother?
From: long3 on 9 Jul 2008 12:01 Alas, I am just a GRUNT, providing statistical programming services as a contractor. However, I think that touting SAS knowledge and experience is still a huge plus in placing a successful bid on a federal contract. =20 Stuart Long=20 Contractor=20 Westat=20 Senior Analyst=20 919-941-8307=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Mary [mailto:mlhoward(a)avalon.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:55 AM To: Long, Stuart (NIH/NIEHS) [C]; SAS-L(a)LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: Re: Is R overtaking SAS at universities and colleges? Stuart (I can't help noticing the "NIH" in your name), =20 Perhaps you could ask at the NIH for us! It would seem that acceptance would come at the NIH before the FDA, since many NIH grants are to universities (I'm on an NIH grant), whereas the FDA more deals with pharmaceutical firms. =20 Certainly, if people on NIH grants start publishing papers that have statistical analysis done in R, then that would "open the flood gates", as it were to more people using R to do their analysis. I would think that the FDA would be more conservative in requiring the use of SAS for longer than the NIH would. Many statistical analysts just coming out of college may get their first jobs on NIH grants at universities, and would naturally use R if that is what they've been trained in unless there's an NIH requirement prohibiting it; even if there is, they may still use R for exploratory work and switch over to SAS for formal work. =20 Thus, Stuart, do you know anything about the NIH's feelings towards using R for statistical analysis? =20 -Mary ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Long, Stuart (NIH/NIEHS) [C] <mailto:long3(a)niehs.nih.gov> To: Mary <mailto:mlhoward(a)avalon.net> ; SAS-L(a)LISTSERV.UGA.EDU=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: RE: Re: Is R overtaking SAS at universities and colleges? What does the FDA (or any federal department that hands out grants) think of R? That might be an important question to consider if R is currently a threat to replace SAS. =20 =09 -----Original Message----- From: Mary [mailto:mlhoward(a)AVALON.NET]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:32 AM To: SAS-L(a)LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: Is R overtaking SAS at universities and colleges? =09 =09 Because if R is overtaking SAS at universities and colleges, it will likely become more prevalent in the workplace, and thus existing statistical programmers will need to learn and use it in order to continue to be employable. =09 -Mary ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ben=20 To: SAS-L(a)LISTSERV.UGA.EDU=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Is R overtaking SAS at universities and colleges? =09 =09 Why bother?
From: Peter Flom on 9 Jul 2008 12:01
Mary <mlhoward(a)AVALON.NET> wrotehe "NIH" in your name), > >Perhaps you could ask at the NIH for us! It would seem that acceptance would come at the NIH before the FDA, since many NIH grants are to universities (I'm on an NIH grant), whereas the FDA more deals with pharmaceutical firms. > >Certainly, if people on NIH grants start publishing papers that have statistical analysis done in R, then that would "open the flood gates", as it were to more people using R to do their analysis. I would think that the FDA would be more conservative in requiring the use of SAS for longer than the NIH would. Many statistical analysts just coming out of college may get their first jobs on NIH grants at universities, and would naturally use R if that is what they've been trained in unless there's an NIH requirement prohibiting it; even if there is, they may still use R for exploratory work and switch over to SAS for formal work. > >Thus, Stuart, do you know anything about the NIH's feelings towards using R for statistical analysis? > I've done analysis for NIH grants using R, and I've included that in grant proposals. I know other people who have done this, as well. It was never raised as an issue that I am aware of, and some of the grant proposals were successful. Peter Peter L. Flom, PhD Statistical Consultant www DOT peterflom DOT com |