Is Win32 dead?
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From: r_z_aret on 16 Mar 2010 17:33 On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 05:02:34 GMT, "Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W(a)NOSPAM.bigpond.com> wrote: > >"ScottMcP [MVP]" <scottmcp(a)mvps.org> wrote: > >> No, it's Win32 newsgroups that are near-dead. Newbies to Windows >> programming have mostly switched to C# because MS gives away the >> compiler, but Win32 API programming in C and C++ is mostly discussed >> here: > >> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/vcgeneral/threads/ > >Scott, > >Is there a newsgroup feed for that forum., I simply hate using a webbrowser >to read posts especially as I only have dialup access - yes some parts of >the world still do not have broadband access. :( This is a very sore point among older MVPs, who became MVPs largely because of their newsgroup participation. They have been vocal on private newsgroups. Microsoft has attempted some solutions that have not been well received; I'm not sure what is public, so I won't say more. Except that, so far, I don't think you're missing anything useful. > >thanks >leslie. > ----------------------------------------- To reply to me, remove the underscores (_) from my email address (and please indicate which newsgroup and message). Robert E. Zaret, eMVP PenFact, Inc. 20 Park Plaza, Suite 400 Boston, MA 02116 www.penfact.com Useful reading (be sure to read its disclaimer first): http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
From: Serve Laurijssen on 14 Apr 2010 16:10 "Jonathan de Boyne Pollard" <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups(a)NTLWorld.COM> schreef in bericht news:IU.D20100314.T200755.P5827.Q0(a)J.de.Boyne.Pollard.localhost... > > >> >> This newsgroup seems to have less postings or questions from programmers >> than I remembered years ago. Does that mean that people have switched to >> a more common programming API and/or language??? >> > Don't conflate the comparative decline of Usenet traffic relative to half > a decade ago, which is a general phenomenon across all newsgroups I'm convinced that as a beginner, learning win32 now is only useful for educational purposes and not really practical no matter what the reason is that usenet is on the decline. You can do everything in win32 the hard(er) way or you can use a dotnet language and do it the easy way
From: Michael Wojcik on 15 Apr 2010 10:19 Serve Laurijssen wrote: > > "Jonathan de Boyne Pollard" <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups(a)NTLWorld.COM> > schreef in bericht > news:IU.D20100314.T200755.P5827.Q0(a)J.de.Boyne.Pollard.localhost... >> > >>> >>> This newsgroup seems to have less postings or questions from >>> programmers than I remembered years ago. Does that mean that people >>> have switched to a more common programming API and/or language??? >>> >> Don't conflate the comparative decline of Usenet traffic relative to >> half a decade ago, which is a general phenomenon across all newsgroups > > I'm convinced that as a beginner, learning win32 now is only useful for > educational purposes and not really practical no matter what the reason > is that usenet is on the decline. Usenet is not declining. It's recovering (very, very slowly) from Eternal September. In another twenty years it might be close to what it was before AOL. > You can do everything in win32 the hard(er) way or you can use a dotnet > language and do it the easy way What's the easy managed-code way to change a user's password? -- Michael Wojcik Micro Focus Rhetoric & Writing, Michigan State University
From: Arny on 18 Apr 2010 21:37 On 14.04.2010 22:10, Serve Laurijssen wrote: > > "Jonathan de Boyne Pollard" <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups(a)NTLWorld.COM> > schreef in bericht > news:IU.D20100314.T200755.P5827.Q0(a)J.de.Boyne.Pollard.localhost... >> > >>> >>> This newsgroup seems to have less postings or questions from >>> programmers than I remembered years ago. Does that mean that people >>> have switched to a more common programming API and/or language??? >>> >> Don't conflate the comparative decline of Usenet traffic relative to >> half a decade ago, which is a general phenomenon across all newsgroups > > I'm convinced that as a beginner, learning win32 now is only useful for > educational purposes and not really practical no matter what the reason > is that usenet is on the decline. > You can do everything in win32 the hard(er) way or you can use a dotnet > language and do it the easy way > Just to make sure people who read posts here are not misguided by your misleading post: ..NET is not a language. It's a platform. C#, VB, Delphi are languages. Java is both a language and a platform... When that is said. It must be clear as crystal that .NET != Win32. They operate on different platforms( machines if you'd like). Therefore .NET can't provide all the features of Win32. The point of .NET would be lost if it did. You will have to import Win32 functions or use them through a dll if you want to use the missing features. I sense that you really only meant the creation of a GUI. Which is truely a lot easier to design and maintain in a .NET project. But the provided GUI API for .NET is just a subset of Win32. Any .NET developer past the beginner level will realize the limitation and eventually import Win32 functions to use them directly. At least at this current version of .NET. The idea of .NET is to evolve into a platform which provides close to everything a developer will need, regardless of the hosting OS. From the top of my head, how would you easily : - get the handle of the foreground window - implement interprocess communication - use memory mapped files - use systemwide hooks - use highres timers - draw on the desktop? - create a custom WMI provider - get free disk space , in .NET without using win32 functions directly? - RaZ
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