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From: Howard Brazee on 28 May 2010 10:29 On Fri, 28 May 2010 16:37:37 +1200, "Pete Dashwood" <dashwood(a)removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote: > >I was having a discussion with some other developers who use Microsoft >Platforms and this question came up. Most of the guys who have been writing >code for more than 10 years see no need to get certified. Although a fair amount are certifiable. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 28 May 2010 10:31 On Fri, 28 May 2010 16:37:37 +1200, "Pete Dashwood" <dashwood(a)removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote: >My personal belief about this is that is caused by the lack of self >discipline we see reflected in society. In countries like Israel where young >people do military service and learn, self-confidence, leadership and >discipline they go on to achieve more. Here in NZ we have a generation of >parents who never understood what discipline means (many people equate >discipline incorrectly with punishment) and so they over-indulge their kids >and we have a generation who expect to have everything they want, right now. Most generations have the same complaints. This observation has been made throughout recorded history. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Anonymous on 28 May 2010 10:39 In article <cckvv5lcr6hbkuiah32cms5o5lvvs2a5pm(a)4ax.com>, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: >On Thu, 27 May 2010 15:49:53 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf(a)panix.com () wrote: > >>Who cares if you can't read the stuff if you don't have to? >>Who cares about efficiency when your wristwatch has more computing power >>than did the early space flights? > >One thing that I have in common with the young people - I don't wear a >wristwatch. I guess I was just ahead of my time. I didn't wear a wristwatch for a bit more than two decades... and then, all of a sudden, I saw one of the Russian Watches-of-State (an Orion, I believe) with a skeletal movement. Caught my eye and found its way on my wrist. I also didn't carry a pen or a briefcase for those decades, either. DD
From: Alistair Maclean on 28 May 2010 17:01 On May 28, 2:45 pm, docdw...(a)panix.com () wrote: > In article <868vkhFvi...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > Pete Dashwood <dashw...(a)removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote: > >SkippyPB wrote: > > [snip] > > >> I take pride in my programs but many of the > >> younger folks I work with do not take pride in theirs. They don't > >> care about efficiency of code; they don't care that they could easily > >> reduce redundancy; they don't care if the 5 deep nested IF is hard to > >> read etc. etc. > > [snip] > > >My personal belief about this is that is caused by the lack of self > >discipline we see reflected in society. In countries like Israel where young > >people do military service and learn, self-confidence, leadership and > >discipline they go on to achieve more. Here in NZ we have a generation of > >parents who never understood what discipline means (many people equate > >discipline incorrectly with punishment) and so they over-indulge their kids > >and we have a generation who expect to have everything they want, right now. > >Consequently, we find people with credit card debt of tens of thousands of > >dollars by the time they are in their mid-twenties, an expectation of > >instant gratification, the attention span of a flea, and the attitude that > >if something is difficult, move on to something else... > > Note, class, the reflective calls of species-reinforcement of the > Grey-Chested Olde Farte, almost identical to those of the Golfcap-Sporting > Hyperannuated Duffer. In such cases one member of the species asserts its > identity by warbling a series of tones bemoaning the passing of the Oldene > Dayse; the other member, in order to demonstrate the solidarity of kindred > genetics, responds in a contrapunctal fashion and extends the first's > melody to another set of conditions which both feel reinforces their own > membership in what Durkheim called 'the we-group'. This is noted on page > 125 of your text 'Gammers, Gaffers, Geezers and What You May Live Long > Enough To Become'. > > While the specifics of the calls vary the tonality and > concept-transmission remains remarkably constant, a 'Why, when *I* was a > lad (situation) was (superior) and nowadays kids are too > stupid/incompetent/lazy to sit down to defecate.' Examples of this > behavior can be found in the works of Homer. Reference(s) please. > > At the same time... the facts that technology improves (where were the MRI > machines forty years ago?), life expectancy (in many cases) increases and > the amount of time to accomplish a many tasks decreases while the accuracy > of the result increases are completely ignored.... an' don't git me > started on what them kids're callin' 'music', neither... bunchan durned > noise, 'f'ya ask me!.' > > DD
From: Alistair Maclean on 28 May 2010 17:03
On May 28, 3:23 pm, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote: > On Thu, 27 May 2010 15:49:53 +0000 (UTC), docdw...(a)panix.com () wrote: > >Who cares if you can't read the stuff if you don't have to? > >Who cares about efficiency when your wristwatch has more computing power > >than did the early space flights? > > One thing that I have in common with the young people - I don't wear a > wristwatch. I've got a phone in my pocket, so why do I need a watch > on my wrist? > In case the phone in your pocket falls out and breaks. You could just ask a passer-bye but then where would you find one at 03:42 a.m.? |